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TerryToma
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08-10-2006, 06:21 AM
Post subject: 2 pair good?
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SB was 17/7 over 30 hands.
Anyone fold PF? Raise flop? I have tended to play 2 pair slower on flop and faster on a safe turn card lately.
The flop overbet from SB and call from BB scared me a bit. The after he folded turn it looked like the SB was desparate, and didnt want a call. It was by no means an insta-call at the time.
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Hero ($29.15)
SB ($23.00)
BB ($24.55)
UTG ($24.65)
UTG+1 ($25.25)
UTG+2 ($17.45)
MP1 ($37.70)
MP2 ($14.30)
MP3 ($32.15)
CO ($4.20)
Preflop: Hero is Button with T , 5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50) 7 , 5, T (5 players)
SB bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3.
Turn: ($10.50) J (3 players)
SB bets $19.75 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls $19.75.
River: ($50) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $50
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Fold PF...your hand is junk
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by BobbySalami
Fold PF...your hand is junk
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martindcx1e
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08-10-2006, 06:36 AM
Post subject: Re: 2 pair good?
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
SB was 17/7 over 30 hands.
Anyone fold PF? Raise flop? I have tended to play 2 pair slower on flop and faster on a safe turn card lately.
The flop overbet from SB and call from BB scared me a bit. The after he folded turn it looked like the SB was desparate, and didnt want a call. It was by no means an insta-call at the time.
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Hero ($29.15)
SB ($23.00)
BB ($24.55)
UTG ($24.65)
UTG+1 ($25.25)
UTG+2 ($17.45)
MP1 ($37.70)
MP2 ($14.30)
MP3 ($32.15)
CO ($4.20)
Preflop: Hero is Button with T , 5 .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50) 7 , 5 , T (5 players)
SB bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3.
Turn: ($10.50) J (3 players)
SB bets $19.75 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls $19.75.
River: ($50) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $50 |
yes, i fold PF. i think the flop is call/fold. with the action in front of you it's clear that this is gonna be a big pot. the turn is usually gonna make things harder for you. SB's range is probably 2-Pair, Set, TcXc, SD+FD, and JJ. To me this looks like either JJ or 8c9c on the turn. i'd bail.
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Fnord
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Raising this flop sucks. Calling and folding to the turn push is fine. This guy doesn't want his better hand sucked out on.
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martindcx1e
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Raising this flop sucks...
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ya i guess it's not likely he is on an 8 or 9 outter. i change to call/fold the flop.
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Fnord
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One of them is certainly drawing. I think playing this flop really fast is just GAMB00L and there is a real edge to be had on the turn.
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TerryToma
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Originally Posted by Fnord
One of them is certainly drawing. I think playing this flop really fast is just GAMB00L and there is a real edge to be had on the turn.
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Ha, thanks for the replies Fnord. I played this hand for you b/c of your recent statment in celeb chat about opening up on limping on the button. The rest of my game is styled towards Renton's guides.
So do we have the edge in this case on the turn?? Were we looking for any non club? Or any nonclub + non face card?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
So do we have the edge in this case on the turn?? Were we looking for any non club? Or any nonclub + non face card?
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Yeah, we want to see the turn card, see what story he's telling about it with his turn bet then figure it out from there. The 3-way nature of this limped pot is going to tend to keep him honest.
If you're good here, it's probably something like QT/KT playing a weird sort of aggro-scared.
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TerryToma
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08-10-2006, 06:59 AM
Post subject: Re: 2 pair good?
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
SB was 17/7 over 30 hands.
Anyone fold PF? Raise flop? I have tended to play 2 pair slower on flop and faster on a safe turn card lately.
The flop overbet from SB and call from BB scared me a bit. The after he folded turn it looked like the SB was desparate, and didnt want a call. It was by no means an insta-call at the time.
PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em,25NL (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($29.15)
SB ($23.00)
BB ($24.55)
UTG ($24.65)
UTG+1 ($25.25)
UTG+2 ($17.45)
MP1 ($37.70)
MP2 ($14.30)
MP3 ($32.15)
CO ($4.20)
Preflop: Hero is Button with T , 5 .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50) 7 , 5 , T (5 players)
SB bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3.
Turn: ($10.50) J (3 players)
SB bets $19.75 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls $19.75.
River: ($50) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $50 |
yes, i fold PF. i think the flop is call/fold. with the action in front of you it's clear that this is gonna be a big pot. the turn is usually gonna make things harder for you. SB's range is probably 2-Pair, Set, TcXc, SD+FD, and JJ. To me this looks like either JJ or 8c9c on the turn. i'd bail. |
Dont you think he would have raised JJ pf? 8c9c is a thought, but its pretty tough to put him on that specific of a hand.
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TerryToma
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
So do we have the edge in this case on the turn?? Were we looking for any non club? Or any nonclub + non face card?
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Yeah, we want to see the turn card, see what story he's telling about it with his turn bet then figure it out from there. The 3-way nature of this limped pot is going to tend to keep him honest.
If you're good here, it's probably something like QT/KT playing a weird sort of aggro-scared. |
Close.. I'll give results since it has had enough discussion.. QcJc..
How do you like how he played it?
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Fnord
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Close.. I'll give results since it has had enough discussion.. QcJc.. How do you like how he played it?
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Really silly, but it certainly fits. I see over-bet lines like this here and there at my stakes, but so few of them go to showdown.
Did you remember to taunt the table coaches?
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martindcx1e
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08-10-2006, 04:33 PM
Post subject: Re: 2 pair good?
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
Dont you think he would have raised JJ pf?
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i know lots of players who do and don't raise it PF. but just cuz the pot is limped doesn't lead me to tossing it out of the range.
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