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Margin Of Error
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11-27-2006, 06:41 PM
Post subject: 2 Live Hands Comments Wanted
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B&M 1/2NL 100max - Assume full buyin for myself and villian.
I'm in MP2 with   UTG+1 makes it $7, UTG+2 flat calls. I make it 30 to go. LP1 who is a gambling donkey calls, folds around and were heads up on the flop. Flop comes    I lead out for $35. Villian pushes all-in and has me covered.
Hand 2 - Same Table, I'm sitting with $160 at this point. Both villians are a little shortstacked in this hand, like $80.
I'm in MP1 with  UTG makes it $7, UTG+1 calls. I make it $25 to go. Folds around and both call. Flop comes    Both players check and I push all-in, I have both of them covered.
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nutsinho
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So in hand 1 you got minraised? Are you really considering pitching tptk on a dry flop in a reraised pot to a donkey vs a minraise push?
Hand 2: why not make it 30 to go like you did in hand 1? push is fine, value betting twice is slightly better.
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Margin Of Error
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Flush
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So in hand 1 you got minraised? Are you really considering pitching tptk on a dry flop in a reraised pot to a donkey vs a minraise push?
Hand 2: why not make it 30 to go like you did in hand 1? push is fine, value betting twice is slightly better.
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In hand two how do I value bet without giving the nut flush draw correct odds to chase?
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She looked at me and said youz a baby right?
I told her, I'm 18 and live a crazy life
Plus I'll tell you what the 80's like
And I know what ladies like
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
In hand two how do I value bet without giving the nut flush draw correct odds to chase?
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~$75 pot with $135 left I'd bet $40-50 then $75-85 all in on the turn. Assuming one caller with Acxc you're giving him bad odds on chasing his overcard/flush. And a nut flush draw won't be out against you all that often. People will call the smaller bets with much worse hands.
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
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So in hand 1 you got minraised? Are you really considering pitching tptk on a dry flop in a reraised pot to a donkey vs a minraise push?
Hand 2: why not make it 30 to go like you did in hand 1? push is fine, value betting twice is slightly better.
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In hand two how do I value bet without giving the nut flush draw correct odds to chase? |
pot is 75+ and they only have ~55 left, so they already have odds to chase if you push. By betting 30 twice, you might drag a middle pair along rather than push them out.
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Fnord
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{moved to HH forum}
Hand 1: Given how those games play, I insta-call.
Hand 2: Standard
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Da GOAT
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hand 1- is almost never a set since a slowplay is more likely if they do.
hand 2-yeah maybe 2 vbets is better since you arent folding and they have odds either way.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
hand 1- is almost never a set since a slowplay is more likely if they do.
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Who the fuck knows what he has. Players are way looser live and hence won't start with pairs as often and hence...
Anyway, I see AK TPTK and unless this is a very different game from all the 200NL live I've played that hand is almost always the nuts for a single buy-in until he shows me a better hand face up.
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Players are way looser live and hence won't start with pairs as often and hence....
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i dont understand this, isnt the guy trying to represent a v strong hand which looks like AK or trips. just dont understand the second part of above 
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Anyway, I see AK TPTK and unless this is a very different game from all the 200NL live I've played that hand is almost always the nuts for a single buy-in until he shows me a better hand face up.
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okay im still in SNG/donk 25NL town but i would of put him on AK and not trips.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Ash256
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The max buyin is 50BB stacks. Hand 2 is fine... I'd prolly get a bit scared in hand 1, but considering how shallow the stacks are, I think it's ok.
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Players are way looser live and hence won't start with pairs as often and hence....
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i dont understand this, isnt the guy trying to represent a v strong hand which looks like AK or trips. just dont understand the second part of above |
I think villain is pushing quite a wider range than that here, like any king or a smaller pair who believes you missed the flop completely, maybe a flush draw. The pot is like $165 and you have $35 left to call right? Impossible to fold TPTK..
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