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Old 04-05-2007, 06:09 PM     Post subject: 2 KK pre-flop decisions #1 (permalink)  
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I think these are somewhat interesting. Obviously I'm not folding either, the decision is call or push, b/c there are players left to act behind.

1. MP1 is 25/10 over 2k hands, average player, not that great. CO is 24/6 over 1.5k hands, loose passive post-flop, not very good. Button (shorty pusher) is 25/6 over 50 hands.

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $197
UTG+1: $263.10
MP1: $228.45
CO: $267.85
Button: $87.20
SB: $198
BB: $115

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $7, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button raises all-in $87.2, 2 folds, Hero...


2. BB seems terrible, 55/11 over 100 hands. No stats/reads on UTG+1 (shorty pusher).

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $119
UTG+1: $64.90
MP1: $203.50
MP2: $500.55
MP3: $235.15
Hero: $234.05
Button: $40.25
SB: $267.90
BB: $339.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with K K
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $7, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $29, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 raises all-in $64.9, MP1 folds, Hero...
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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The first one is an easy push.

The second would worry me a bit if you didn't say the BB was terrible but since he is, I'm pushing. ( and i would probably push anyway)
 
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 1. call.
2. push.
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1. call.
2. push.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:58 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1. call.
2. push.
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Reasoning?
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Old 04-06-2007, 05:15 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Just calling Button's AI in hand 1 is best because it may entice CO to isolate shove A-K, Q-Q if he was just calling with those hands preflop. Obviously this isn't standard but;
-even if he has A-K/Q-Q only 5% of the time in this spot and shoves 25% of the time you just call Buttons AI, you make much more money than forcing him out of the pot by shoving, where you would almost certainly force him to fold.

For hand 1, you basically don't want to push CO out of the pot if he has a hand he might call with. You're not worried about him being ahead of you, and at best he is slightly better than 3:1 against your hand. Call and beg for him to overcall.

Hand 2 is a push b/c even with terrible implied odds, the pot odds are very juicy and more than compensate for BB taking the worst of it with implied odds of hitting a set and potentially stacking you. I don't have a ton of time to do some math on this but i sense that it would be correct for BB to call with a lot of hands in that spot if you were to just call PF.

I understand that he is probably terrible postflop, and you might even be able to stack him if he is holding J-J. But, you won't know when he has outflopped you and you won't be able to get away from your hand.

Essentially, in hand 2 villain would be getting such good pot odds to call that they would more than compensate for his weak implied odds of set-stacking you.
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