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Old 01-24-2006, 12:47 AM     Post subject: 2 KK hands from $200NL #1 (permalink)  
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In this hand villian is 48/7/2.1. How are you playing the turn+river?

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MP2 ($298.30)
MP3 ($57)
CO ($197)
Button ($334.60)
SB ($198)
BB ($193.45)
Hero ($203.05)
UTG+1 ($200)
UTG+2 ($197.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, MP1 calls $7, 3 folds, Button calls $7, 1 fold, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($29) 3, 7, T (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, MP1 folds, Button calls $20, BB folds.

Turn: ($69) T (2 players)
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Final Pot: $194

This opponent is 17/7. How good/bad is this played?

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MP2 ($137.21)
MP3 ($248.60)
Hero ($203.65)
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SB ($112.50)
BB ($275.50)
UTG ($205)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 5 folds, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, UTG raises to $25, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($53) T, Q, 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $30, Hero calls $30.

Turn: ($113) 6 (2 players)
UTG calls $150 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $263
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Old 01-24-2006, 01:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1- Think I'd lead again and fold to a re-raise. He's a looks like a loose player and a T could be in his range but so could almost any PP(puting you on unpaired overs if thats your standard c-bet) or 98. Tell him you don't mind the T and see what he does. Checking just gives him a licence to take it away from you.

2- Fold, a tight player like that either has QQ or AA with As. If he's not worried about you having the flush, he sure aint worried about KK.
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Old 01-24-2006, 02:41 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Checking just gives him a licence to take it away from you.
Not if he's going to tip his hand and you're inclined to call him down.

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2- Fold, a tight player like that either has QQ or AA with As. If he's not worried about you having the flush, he sure aint worried about KK.
What do you think of his flop line? This is a really difficult spot. Last week I would have just played for stacks here without a second thought...
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Old 01-24-2006, 03:11 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Checking just gives him a licence to take it away from you.
Well this is the problem. I have to bet the turn and the river not just the turn. The way it played out was I bet $35 into a $68 pot a Jack came on the river and I check/folded to the bet. The whole hand makes no sense to me at all, I have no clue how to play it.

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What do you think of his flop line?
I called the flop because I didn't think he would fire the turn without QQ/AA.
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:17 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I called the flop because I didn't think he would fire the turn without QQ/AA.
Fair enough but would he reraise preflop without AA/KK/QQ? Since you have KK its quite unlikely he has KK therefore if the answer is no you should really give up and not pay more for information you already have. Tough fold I know but your roll will thank you.
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:29 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I called the flop because I didn't think he would fire the turn without QQ/AA.
Fair enough but would he reraise preflop without AA/KK/QQ? Since you have KK its quite unlikely he has KK therefore if the answer is no you should really give up and not pay more for information you already have. Tough fold I know but your roll will thank you.
Maybe he would reraise with more hands but limp/reraising and playing that aggressive on the flop and turn is surely QQ-AA.
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:36 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Fold on that flop then
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:47 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Checking just gives him a licence to take it away from you.
Not if he's going to tip his hand and you're inclined to call him down.
But will he? A big bet could be a bluff utalising the scare care, (a T not really being in our range) or it could be a T trying to get value from an over pair. A check fom the villian would be ideal but even here we are losing value. A lead keeps the pressure on and players are usually less inclined to bluff into strength, giving us a better idea where we stand before the big guns come out on the river. Having said that calling down does have its merits, especially against Laggy opponents.

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2- Fold, a tight player like that either has QQ or AA with As. If he's not worried about you having the flush, he sure aint worried about KK.
What do you think of his flop line? This is a really difficult spot. Last week I would have just played for stacks here without a second thought...
I dont mind it, we still don't know if we're beat and, like you said for the first hand, how the villian reacts to a scare card or a brick on the turn might tip his hand. Here it tipped off the scale so I'd get out. What weaker hand would we be ahead of if you both played for stacks? AsKx is the only one I can think of but even then they have 11 outs.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:11 PM #9 (permalink)  
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For the 2nd hand, congradulations, you just made your first laydown of kings to aces.
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:42 PM #10 (permalink)  
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For the 2nd hand, congradulations, you just made your first laydown of kings to aces.
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero raises to $6, 6 folds, UTG+1 raises to $25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $32.50

Well thanks alot, but it sure isn't the first time or the second time or the last time. I joined this forum because I noticed there weren't so many smart ass comments like at 2+2 and other forums, so I thought I could actually improve my game here. So thank you so very much for your worthless post.
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:55 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I really don't think there was any menace is spino1i's comment what-so-ever NLHE.
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:31 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I really don't think there was any menace is spino1i's comment what-so-ever NLHE.
Indeed, he wasn't being sarcastic, it was a sincere compliment. It was a good laydown, folding a monster starting hand like KK.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:07 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Well my apologies if he was being sarcastic, but when he assumed I have never made a good fold before I thought it was very sarcastic.
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