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martindcx1e

08-21-2006, 06:00 AM Post subject: 2 Hands From Tonight

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HAND #1

25NL
9 players
No Reads

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.75
UTG+1: $18.50
MP1: $31.45
MP2: $2.30
MP3: $24.20
Hero: $22.55
Button: $19.30
SB: $19.30
BB: $33.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with :

2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop:

($1.4, 5 players)
BB bets $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, Button folds, BB raises to $13, Hero ?

HAND #2

25NL
9 players
No Reads

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.35
UTG+1: $24.70
MP1: $27.25
MP2: $27.70
MP3: $10.10
Hero: $27.75
Button: $19.00
SB: $25.50
BB: $23.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with

2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop:

($1.75, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $1, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Turn:

($4.75, 3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3

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DaHorror

08-21-2006, 06:22 AM

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Hand 1 - tough...I think I play weak-tight and let this go and assume he has a set or better 2-pair. If I find out he's a donk that checks AK/AA from the BB and then plays it this way I'll be irritated but I don't see that often enough to think that's what is goin on in this hand.

Hand 2 - the only problem I have is with what you are attempting to rep since AQ makes no sense, and A9/A6 make very little as well...still, you probably fold out weaker/lukewarm stronger hands enough here to make this move ok...the draws are gonna stick around but you're not putting a lot more in the pot anyway. I think it's worth a stab, particularly if you can fold out the button and sense weakness from MP1 on the river and can claim the pot without showdown.

martindcx1e

08-21-2006, 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHorror

In hand 2, I thought MP1's turn check showed he was probably done with his hand (maybe afraid of the Ace), and I thought button was on a draw. I put MP1 on a Q also but the only one I was really worried about was KQ.

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Turska

08-22-2006, 09:48 AM

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Hand 1: BB raises u following hands

AA, 999, fl/str (can I say 78 diamonds) draw.
I wouldnt buy KKK or 666 (if it is its
just bad luck). Add AK if hes a donk.

So this gets read dependant. against average 25 Nl player
I would reraise allin. Against good player I might fold.

Hand 2: I think bet is fine here. If u get called or raised
u should drop it.

vqc

08-22-2006, 10:09 AM

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preflop in hand 1 kinda blows
I shove the flop

hand 2
i like dahorros analysis about AQ

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08-22-2006, 10:23 AM

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I like both. In hand 2 I think that check usually means hes done. It doesnt matter if AQ makes no sense if villain isnt thinking that AQ makes no sense

. He probably has TPWK or something and is scared of the A/ set/ 2 pair / better kicker whether it makes sense or not.
Obviously if you are check/raised or he calls you arent putting more in.

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08-22-2006, 10:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

I like both. In hand 2 I think that check usually means hes done. It doesnt matter if AQ makes no sense if villain isnt thinking that AQ makes no sense

. He probably has TPWK or something and is scared of the A/ set/ 2 pair / better kicker whether it makes sense or not.
Obviously if you are check/raised or he calls you arent putting more in.

u dont think hes preflop is a leak in hand 1?

martindcx1e

08-22-2006, 04:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vqc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

I like both. In hand 2 I think that check usually means hes done. It doesnt matter if AQ makes no sense if villain isnt thinking that AQ makes no sense

. He probably has TPWK or something and is scared of the A/ set/ 2 pair / better kicker whether it makes sense or not.
Obviously if you are check/raised or he calls you arent putting more in.

u dont think hes preflop is a leak in hand 1?

preflop limping in LP isn't really as big a deal as post-flop play is. i folded in hand 1 btw.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turska

Hand 1: BB raises u following hands

AA, 999, fl/str (can I say 78 diamonds) draw.
I wouldnt buy KKK or 666 (if it is its
just bad luck). Add AK if hes a donk.

i put BB on 96, K9, 66, 99, 7d8d, maybe AA/KK/AdKd but very unlikely

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Turska

08-23-2006, 06:00 AM

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I was little tired yesterday when I looked this hand.
Of course AA,KK,AK are out of question.

I dont think limping in K6 suited is a leak in 25 NL LP. I do
that often if I get good odds like 1/4. Martin has here
1/4 of course there are 3 potentially raisers after him
so this is kind of marginal call. But 25Nl at ongame is
incredibly passive so its not so bad.

K6 suited is of course played for fl only. No one has
raised preflop so AA,KK,AK is out of question but I think BB
would have raised 99 too. Reads would help but this
could be strong draw.

I think draw and K9 is the strongest candidate here.

Folding is good here too marginal situation. With
strong read I would go allin otherwise fold.

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08-23-2006, 07:15 AM

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3:1 with Kxs is kinda bogus.....

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08-23-2006, 03:54 PM

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There are so many pre-flop police here sometimes. To me playing Kxs on a passive table in this spot is personal preference and shouldn't really be part of the discussion. People get so hung up on pre-flop sometimes that they don't even comment on the rest of the hand. This HH forum is mainly a discussion for post-flop play.

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benny999

08-23-2006, 05:20 PM

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#1, I think everything including the flop fold is good.

I'd rather know if those limpers are loose passive to pay off my flush/2 pair before playing it (you posted "no reads" but maybe so many are at 25nl you can assume).

#2 I like your bet in case of str8 draws..but I don't agree the point of betting there is to scare off MP1's likely worse hand. and, imo the flop call is really marginal after you limp and have a 7way flop and a few are still left to act after you (not a good hand to play a big pot with).

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08-23-2006, 06:04 PM

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1. I don't think limping behind limpers in LP with Kxs is necessarily a leak. I'm probably pushing over the flop re-raise, but any kind of read makes it a much easier decision.

2. I like a pre-flop raise here in the CO. You're getting pre-flop advice whether you like it or not

I raise the flop to $4, trying to secure position and price out draws. If called you should be able to play a cheap turn. As played I probably check behind on the turn, but taking a stab here isn't bad.

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08-23-2006, 07:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zook

You're getting pre-flop advice whether you like it or not

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08-23-2006, 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny999

#2 I like your bet in case of str8 draws..but I don't agree the point of betting there is to scare off MP1's likely worse hand. and, imo the flop call is really marginal after you limp and have a 7way flop and a few are still left to act after you (not a good hand to play a big pot with).

so as played do you bet the turn or check? on flop...are you suggesting folding TPGK + backdoor SD & FD vs. $1 bet from a full stack?

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08-23-2006, 08:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

so as played do you bet the turn or check?

That's kind of a tough decision...I prob bet just a little less, like 1/2 pot for 2.5, not that it matters much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

on flop...are you suggesting folding TPGK + backdoor SD & FD vs. $1 bet from a full stack?

yes! it's not worth investing imo...
1-The backdoor FD is worth only 1 out, and imo the SD is worthless as it will be transparent and you risk losing a lot to KJ.
2- TPGK sucks 7 way, you likely lose more then you win over time. That's of course debatable..prob if you have good reads and are good post flop then not, I'm just saying it's not worth a lot of EV.
3- A/K are scare cards to you as much as anyone else.
4- Someone already bet, giving you free information they like their hand. If it was checked, I would be likely to bet and it'd be different.

martindcx1e

08-23-2006, 08:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny999

yes! it's not worth investing imo...

wow seems very weak to me, but maybe i have a leak

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08-23-2006, 08:27 PM

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Basically I see this as a high risk low reward scenario, but not saying it's necessarily a leak.

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08-23-2006, 08:34 PM

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ya i know you weren't. flop seems semi-dry, and i'm not planning on investing a ton here. i think a Q bets out here lots of times and i thought i was ahead of his range. i also had position on initial bettor.

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