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fasin8ing

05-08-2006, 05:10 AM Post subject: 2 dollar raiser tilts me.

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Tired of it.. If anything Iam fricken beat down watching these people raise it up to 2 bucks with Ace rag... it sent me into tilt somewhat.. TIRED OF IT- This cant be a good thing for me - At least I had a hand going into it. This guy kept raising it up to 2 bucks... I got pissed and shoved. Anything like this ever piss you off? Is this tilt in a different way? I won but thats not the point.. Ive lost too when someone does something to piss me off. I totally lost it .. seriously. A 10 , and A 8 is not a 8X the BB raising hand - WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. I did good tonight.. PP is shut down.. I refuse to play anymore tonight.

#Game No : 4213909251
***** Hand History for Game 4213909251 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 08, 00:53:47 ET 2006
Table Table 95807 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: CAjay40 ( $34.93 )
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 ( $23.65 )
Seat 4: deemac52 ( $21.95 )
Seat 8: ballguru ( $12.63 )
Seat 6: drthundr2 ( $3.60 )
Seat 10: oldstick111 ( $21.60 )
Seat 7: jultimason ( $9 )
Seat 9: KR_Rip ( $26.65 )
Seat 2: kjefe81 ( $23.70 )
Seat 3: Apollo_16 ( $24.65 )
deemac52 posts small blind [$0.10].
CAjay40 is sitting out.
drthundr2 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ 8s 8h ]
jultimason folds.
ballguru calls [$0.25].
KR_Rip folds.
oldstick111 folds.
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.25].
kjefe81 folds.
Apollo_16 folds.
deemac52 calls [$0.15].
drthundr2 raises [$2.00].
ballguru calls [$2.00].
fasin8ing1 is all-In [$23.40]
drthundr2 is all-In [$1.60]
ballguru is all-In [$10.63]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Jd, 4s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
drthundr2 shows [ 9s, As ] high card ace.
ballguru shows [ Ad, Th ] high card ace.
fasin8ing1 shows [ 8s, 8h ] a pair of eights.
fasin8ing1 wins $11.02 from side pot #2 with a pair of eights.
fasin8ing1 wins $17.16 from side pot #1 with a pair of eights.
fasin8ing1 wins $10.75 from the main pot with a pair of eights.

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05-08-2006, 05:27 AM

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I might like this play a lot more if you weren't second limper -> reraise. Your folding equity is very low, I'd imagine, given that you rarely see a limp/reraise from that position with a great hand. And if more than one person calls with A9+ (let alone 99+), your chances of winning the pot decrease dramatically

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05-08-2006, 09:08 AM

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Do you want them only to be raising with great cards?

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05-08-2006, 09:23 AM

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05-08-2006, 09:32 AM Post subject: Re: 2 dollar raiser tilts me.

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

This guy kept raising it up to 2 bucks... I got pissed and shoved.

You know what I love doing at the right tables (which is most passive tables)? Raising nearly every hand with potential... suited connectors, suited gappers, pps, face cards, Axs... i never show, but soon enough people start reacting like you just did, especially when they catch me raising with 63s; then i just have to wait for a hand and hello $$

hes not smart for calling with AT; if that was me you would have been facing AA

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05-08-2006, 01:08 PM

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Its not really about the cards... I was tired of seeing this guy raise with shit. It literally pissed me off. Midas to answer your question- I dont care anymore what people raise with... I play my two cards accordingly, when Iam not pissed off. lol ..

I loved playing into a guy that raised with A 10 earlier. I wish I had the HH now id post it... Dude raised it up with A 10, ( i didnt know he was one of these kinda guys yet). Flop came A 3 9 . He bet, I called, turn was a blank and river was a shit card too.... He bet , I raised him like 10 bucks in a 7 dollar pot.. He called me with A 10. I love it when it says stuff like

fasin8ing1 wins with a pair of aces BIGGER KICKER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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05-08-2006, 01:15 PM

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Beat bad laggs by reraising them in position with marginal+ hands preflop and betting the flop repping AA. Also beat bad laggs by hitting a somewhat good hand and calling their ridiculous bluffs all the way down.

***** Hand History for Game 4202516333 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 19:46:30 ET 2006
Table Table 107159 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: Bomber_Gerd ( $536.22 )
Seat 3: Renton555 ( $399.60 )
Seat 4: maluw ( $187.04 )
Seat 7: cheet ( $356.75 )
Seat 9: HotButtMudd2 ( $434.55 )
Seat 6: comeforcash ( $340 )
Seat 2: sf_h2005 ( $190.25 )
Seat 10: pokerix69 ( $40.20 )
Seat 8: Berge20 ( $212 )
Seat 1: dave1979777 ( $193 )
Renton555 posts small blind [ $1 ].
maluw posts big blind [ $2 ].

Holecards:
Dealt to Renton555 [ Jh, Kh ]
FOLD Bomber_Gerd
FOLD comeforcash
FOLD cheet
FOLD Berge20
RAISE HotButtMudd2, $6
FOLD pokerix69
FOLD dave1979777
FOLD sf_h2005
CALL Renton555 , $5
FOLD maluw

Flop: (Pot: $14)
[ 7s, Js, 6d ]
CHECK Renton555
BET HotButtMudd2, $11
CALL Renton555 , $11

Turn: (Pot: $36)
[ Ac ]
CHECK Renton555
BET HotButtMudd2, $30
CALL Renton555 , $30

River: (Pot: $96)
[ 7d ]
CHECK Renton555
BET HotButtMudd2, $75
CALL Renton555 , $75
HotButtMudd2 shows [ 8c, 9c ] a pair of sevens .
Renton555 shows [ Jh, Kh ] two pairs jacks and sevens .
Renton555 wins $243 from the main pot with two pairs jacks and sevens .

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05-08-2006, 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fasin8ing

I was tired of seeing this guy raise with shit. It literally pissed me off.

One of the reasons LAG plays work on the right tables...

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05-08-2006, 02:06 PM

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fasin8ing - you have to keep the temper under control. First of all remember, you pick the rules of the game you choose to play. You're playing no limit hold 'em - people can raise as much as they want, with any two cards they want. It shouldn't piss you off. If they're making mistakes, it makes you money. Just learn to properly take advantage of it. Shoving all your money in with marginal hands isn't necessarily the way to do so. If you find this keeps pissing you off, you should consider playing pot limit or even limit hold 'em. Tilt is one of the biggest leaks there is, if you are highly prone to it.

One other thing you should remember is that a big reason players start doing this (raising 8xBB any time they enter the pot) is that the behavior of others probably pissed THEM off, at some point. They would make a "normal" raise of 3 or 4xBB and get 4 callers every time. Eventually they start raising more like this as a reaction. The goal is to get heads up with someone, or steal the blinds without a fight. It's a reasonable behavior to develop at these stakes. For reference, I played with a guy the other day like this at a 6-max table. I looked him up and found he was multi-tabling, playing six tables at once, and playing every one of them the same way: $2 raise with any raise-worthy hand, and then a pot-sized continuation bet on every flop. And he was doing well in most of those games, so I didn't have any questions about why he was doing it. I didn't let it piss me off - I just adapted how I was playing to what he was doing.

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05-08-2006, 03:09 PM

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fasin8ing - you have to keep the temper under control. they're making mistakes, it makes you money. Just learn to properly take advantage of it. Shoving all your money in with marginal hands isn't necessarily the way to do so.

Your 100% correct.

My hand before this was another PP , I had 9 9.. I got nothing out of it .. And I remember thinking about half way though the hand with lots of overs on the board and it being paired... What a complete waste- Same raiser... same callers... 2 limps, a raise from 2 bucko and and call from me.. And the two limpers called too... I mean i see people fold all day long to a 5X BB raise... It just pisses me off . If I had pushed like K J, or KQ , or K 10 .. something like that into him.. We have issues. I was ahead the whole time.. But using 8 8 to make a stand is an error on my part. For instance, i get pissed off when I have to fold a decent hand like PP 22+ or maybe even A Q because of donks like this. I have discipline most of the time, its my emotions Iam worrying about.

I wish I could get better and reading into players and knowing what to play back into them. I lack that ... very bad. Or maybe I dont.. I know how to fold really well. I have LAGGED it up lots of times.... But my game now in ring is so fricken tight. But my adjusting isnt doing so well. I played SNG's for a while before ring.. Waiting 3 levels and then playing a little looser was cool for me.. I can play 1000 hands and I play them all the same within my own structure its kinda frustrating because of the money being made by some laggs.

What also pisses me off is when I get called with mediocre shit and they take down a nice pot with some shit cards... I dont tilt, I reload if I lost a buy in and play my hand the same way I would as usual.

But it pisses me off they re distributed my chips to the rest of the table and not back to me. You guys have to have a mental strategy to pep you up ... This cant just be me... Its got to piss others off. Thoughts?

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05-08-2006, 03:18 PM

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It doesn't piss me off.. Makes me really happy. Means I don't have to make any fancy plays. Just wait until you have AA instead of 88 and pwn all those n00bs. Dump hands like AK if you miss and set/nut hunt to your hearts content. If the rest of the table withdraws from the ATM before you so be it. Don't risk your entire buy in where you could be against 4 overcards!! you will not be in good shape.. What if they had AT and KJ. You would really have to dodge alot of cards.

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05-08-2006, 03:23 PM

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05-08-2006, 03:26 PM

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agreed. Just because you won doesn't mean it wasn't a -EV play. Hell, people win hundreds playing roulette

Sometimes the nuts just get crushed

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05-08-2006, 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crushednuts

agreed. Just because you won doesn't mean it wasn't a -EV play. Hell, people win hundreds playing roulette

Exactly...

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05-08-2006, 03:33 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks that his play wasn't bad against this type of maniac, if he was really making these huge raises all the time? No one else at the table has shown any kind of strength so he's just gambling that the maniac can't beat 88. I think that more often than not, he can't.

How good of a hand do you need to take a stand against a maniac who's raising every hand to 8 BB? Are you waiting for QQ or better? Good luck with that. I gamble all day against these guys and by the time you get dealt the aces you're waiting patiently for, I'll have busted him already and you'll win 50 cents with your aces.

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05-08-2006, 03:37 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks that his play wasn't bad against this type of maniac, if he was really making these huge raises on a regular basis? No one else at the table has shown any kind of strength so he's just gambling that the maniac can't beat 88. I think that more often than not, he can't.

How good of a hand do you need to take a stand against a maniac who's raising every hand to 8 BB? Are you waiting for QQ or better? Good luck with that. I gamble all day against these guys and by the time you get dealt the aces you're waiting patiently for, I'll have busted him already and you'll win 50 cents with your aces.

88 is surely a strong enough hand against a player like him. HOWEVER, its often better to play calling station against these maniacs. Pushing with 88 is marginal to low EV even against players like this, because even though they have an extremely loose raising range that doesn't necessarily mean that they will have a loose calling range. You will often only get called here by a hand that dominates 88.

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05-08-2006, 03:42 PM

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It is the fact that there were two maniacs in the hand. He is not getting good odds to race against a possible 3-4 overcards. Bad play when you can just wait til you have a hand that is 80-20 preflop. Not to mention the maniacs don't fold their good hands (which is unfortunate) and could wake up with AA, KK, QQ etc. Hell, even 99 would bone you in the face. What if you were against KT and 99. You would take it in the ear...

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05-08-2006, 03:42 PM

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MCAT dont edge me on.. Iam liable to do this again .. lol .
You are right though.. I cant wait all day for AA, KK, QQ. He is messing with my money. It may not be + EV. But its + EV if I break his ass and send him home. That way I can eliminate the fly on my shoulder. He is taking away from money to be made with any cards I decide to play with his bullshit raises. In that case... I have had enough. I folded 10 10 earlier... I folded KQ, AJ .. Like I should.. I cant sit here all night and let someone do this. Change tables? No way ... Thats not a reason to change tables. On top of that , look what it did to my table image. It means, Iam not putting up with no dumb shit. After that no one got out of line.

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05-08-2006, 03:43 PM

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That's good advice against a standard maniac who makes 3X or 4X raises. I think a push is viable in this hand because the maniac bloated the pot so much already that I don't even really care what his calling range is. If he folds most of his raising hands to my push, I take down 5 bucks without even seeing a flop. If he calls with most of them, a lot of the hands he calls with are hands that I'm 55/45 against or even dominating. The more I think about it the more I love the play.

The only way it's not good is if this guy wasn't really raising as many hands 8X as the hero thinks he was. And that's where you have to be very careful. If a good aggressive player makes you think he's a maniac when he's really not, he'll take all your money in a heartbeat.

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05-08-2006, 04:18 PM

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88 might be a good pushing hand against these people if they're bad, but even if they are bad, you need to worry about other limpers calling. It's better to make this play in position, or maybe even as a UTG limp/reraise, but not in the position he was in. A push from there makes his push look like a frustrated bluff -- begging other people to call.

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05-08-2006, 04:28 PM

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Look at the stack sizes of the other two players in this hand.

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05-08-2006, 06:07 PM

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Look at the stack sizes of the other two players in this hand.

He started with 25 bucks too... My PF aggro donk friend. That should tell you he donked off a lot of chips with terrible hands. The other guy was just an innocent bystander turned victim. I didnt mind him coming along either. Had the stack sizes been larger, I still would have been pissed.

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