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SinkRox

08-07-2005, 04:51 PM Post subject: 2 Consecutive River Folds... any good?

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> Game # 287,947,993 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> poppi110 called for $0.20
> SHIRTMAN folded
> Fiddleboy called for $0.20
> jon_o sits down
> Dazadz sits down
> macarron folded
> Helco folded
> dr_david folded

Dealt to SinkRox 78o

> SinkRox checked
> Dealing the Flop(10ª9§6§)
> SinkRox bet for $0.60
> poppi110 folded
> Fiddleboy called for $0.60
> Dealing the turn(6©)
> SinkRox bet for $1
> Fiddleboy, you have 10 seconds to respond
> Fiddleboy raised for $2
> SinkRox called for $1
> Dealing the river(2§)
> SinkRox checked
> Fiddleboy went all-in for $5.80
SinkRox> show??????
> SinkRox, you have 10 seconds to respond
SinkRox> plz
> SinkRox folded
> Fiddleboy mucked
> Fiddleboy wins $11.45

I cudnt see him limping in with 6x (possibly A6 but thats about it and thats unlikely) I thought he caught his flush (unlikely form betting patterns) or hit a fh. he later claimed he had 3 whole sixes.

Dealt to SinkRox AA

> SinkRox posted small blind ($0.10)
> poppi110 posted big blind ($0.20)
> Dazadz is waiting for the big blind to play
SinkRox> a s s h a t!
> jon_o posted to play ($0.20)
> Game # 287,949,222 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
Fiddleboy> lol
> SHIRTMAN called for $0.20
> Fiddleboy called for $0.20
> macarron called for $0.20
> Helco folded
> jon_o checked
> dr_david folded
> SinkRox raised for $1.40
> poppi110 folded
SinkRox> flopped str8
> SHIRTMAN folded
Fiddleboy> 3 6es
> Fiddleboy folded
SinkRox> dam had u beat
> macarron, you have 10 seconds to respond
> macarron called for $1.30
> jon_o folded
> Dealing the Flop(K©Q§5©)
Fiddleboy> yes... lol
> SinkRox bet for $2.40
> macarron called for $2.40
> Dealing the turn(K¨)
> SinkRox checked
> macarron went all-in for $7.72 (~Pot bet)
SinkRox> aaaargghg
SinkRox> show plz bud!
> SinkRox, you have 10 seconds to respond
> SinkRox folded
> macarron mucked
> macarron wins $15.92
> poppi110 posted small blind ($0.10)
> SHIRTMAN posted big blind ($0.20)
> Dazadz is waiting for the big blind to play
> Game # 287,950,535 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> Fiddleboy folded

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boyobach

08-07-2005, 05:05 PM

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both folds look good to me.

In the first hand I woulda reraised the turn quite substantially to chase out the flush draw and, if he did have 6s he may pay you off here.

pocket Jacks eh?

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CANT WIN AGAINST 'EM
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dev

08-07-2005, 05:09 PM

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At that limit, you really never know what you're up against, but I have to say you can't fold that straight. I would probably put the guy on AT or something similar.

The second one was a good fold, but still frustrating. I think it's some kind of right of passage for poker players to be able to fold bullets.

boyobach

08-07-2005, 05:21 PM

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i disagree dev.

With flush and boat possibilties out there, a str8 loses a lot of it's strength. It doesn't matter what limit you are playing. And with someone pushing all their chips in, you have to think you're beat.

pocket Jacks eh?

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CANT WIN AGAINST 'EM
CANT FOLD 'EM

ensign_lee

08-07-2005, 06:45 PM

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Both folds look fine. The first could hav eben avaoided by betting more on the turn, but once the river comes, you have to believe you're beat.

Second one is an obvious fold; he either has a K or a FH, both of which beat you. Unless you WANT to draw to that last ace...

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bair

08-07-2005, 06:57 PM

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reraise all in on the turn on the first hand

lamaros

08-08-2005, 03:38 AM

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should have pushed turn on the first, but call anyway

second was folded fine

DimitriT

08-08-2005, 11:59 AM

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1st hand is a call

2nd hand is dependent on your read but a fold is probably OK here

stop the chatting, telling them your cards and begging for shows is weak

a500lbgorilla

08-08-2005, 12:01 PM

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Why don't you edit the hand histories to add the

suits?

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Rondavu

08-08-2005, 03:06 PM

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First hand you have to call. He's not raising the turn on a flush draw. If he was gonna raise that draw, he would have done so on the flop. CALL

Second hand is a tough one. Maybe a good laydown. Maybe not. You have to consider the psychology of your opponent. Why did he just call the flop bet? You have to ask yourself why he went all in when you checked if he just turned trip kings. The thing about it is at these low stakes, people play weird. At a higher stake someone with top pair raises you for info on the flop when bet into. At a higher stake someone doesn't go all in against shown preflop strength when they turn a 3rd king. They bet for value and know you'll ride along.

All things considered, maybe it's best to pick a better spot since reads are tough against bad players. I don't think he has the king however. I think he bluffed you out of the pot when you showed him it scared you. The best thing to do on that turn is to bet the same amount as the flop if not a tiny bit more. That way you know a raise is actually a king. Get in the habit of staying in control of a hand until someone strongly suggests otherwise. Your check was VERY weak on that turn.

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biondino

08-08-2005, 04:47 PM

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Call the first hand without doubt - he is short-stacked so he may be being more cavalier than if he'd had $30 to bet. I don't think he's got a better hand than you.

Second one, you fold. He wasn't scared by the first King - indeed he called a decent sized bet, so he obviously felt that even if you had a king he was in a strong position. He didn't have KK as he would have raised you, so perhaps he had AK (unlikely as you had AA) or KQ, or perhaps Kxs. Regardless, your check on the river gave him permission to push, which he duly did. I don't think there was a lot more you could have done.

SinkRox

08-08-2005, 05:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Why don't you edit the hand histories to add the

suits?

-'rilla

cheers guys

rilla I havnt worked out what suits are what eg © is not a club. I might try and write a macro in Word to convert the HH's tho.

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08-08-2005, 06:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Why don't you edit the hand histories to add the

suits?

-'rilla

cheers guys

rilla I havnt worked out what suits are what eg © is not a club. I might try and write a macro in Word to convert the HH's tho.

It doesn't matter. So long as all the circle-c's are the same suit.

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