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09-10-2006, 01:00 PM
Post subject: 2 consecutive hands against the same opponent
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sweden
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50 hands with Villain. He seemed loose preflop (30/14) but nitty postflop.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Villain ($207.03)
Hero ($96.50)
Button ($30.25)
SB ($24)
BB ($96.35)
UTG ($77.75)
UTG+1 ($98.05)
MP1 ($102.65)
MP2 ($82.93)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K , K . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, Villain raises to $5, Hero raises to $16, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Villain calls $11.
Flop: ($36.50) 2 , Q , 2 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($36.50) 2 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $25, Villain folds.
Final Pot: $61.50
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Villain ($191.03)
Hero ($114.70)
CO ($30.25)
Button ($23.50)
SB ($95.35)
BB ($76.75)
UTG ($98.05)
UTG+1 ($101.65)
MP1 ($81.93)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , Q . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, Villain raises to $5, Hero raises to $16, 4 folds, Villain calls $11.
Flop: ($33.50) 5 , A , T (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $23, Villain calls $23.
Turn: ($79.50) 8 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.
River: ($79.50) 6 (2 players)
Villain bets $25, Hero calls $25.
Final Pot: $129.50
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NLHE lahooozaher
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He seemed loose preflop (30/14) but nitty postflop.
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go with your reads.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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he gave you a nice call on the river but i doubt you were good, id still make the call however.
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
he gave you a nice call on the river but i doubt you were good, id still make the call however.
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I fold that 95% of the time. Is this too weak?
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by bigred
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
he gave you a nice call on the river but i doubt you were good, id still make the call however.
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I fold that 95% of the time. Is this too weak?
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check your pot odds. You might actually be good enough considering the preflop action to call this sized bet IMO.
If he half potted the river id prob fold a lot more if not always.
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silu73
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Originally Posted by bigred
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
he gave you a nice call on the river but i doubt you were good, id still make the call however.
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I fold that 95% of the time. Is this too weak?
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Hand 2
Against a tricky player I would fold. But against a weak player I would call.
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takesix
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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I'm the other way. From a bad player it looks like XcXx... Kc or Qc.. from his perspective:
Ooh, club draw for me, I hope he gives me a free card. Damn... well... if I hit I'll stack him.
Great! I make my flush! He's dead now. I'll check to see if he'll keep betting into me, that aggro donk.
Crap! He slowed down... well an AI will get folded if he has any brains, but if I bet.. 1/3 the pot, I bet I'll get a call. Here we go.
Tricky Player: Who knows, pray?
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Ship It
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by takesix
I'm the other way. From a bad player it looks like XcXx... Kc or Qc.. from his perspective:
Ooh, club draw for me, I hope he gives me a free card. Damn... well... if I hit I'll stack him.
Great! I make my flush! He's dead now. I'll check to see if he'll keep betting into me, that aggro donk.
Crap! He slowed down... well an AI will get folded if he has any brains, but if I bet.. 1/3 the pot, I bet I'll get a call. Here we go.
Tricky Player: Who knows, pray? 
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you still need to make this call based on pot odds simply because opp could be betting an ace here as well as a flush imo.
It looks like a scared bet or a great value bet.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by silu_nz
Hand 2
Against a tricky player I would fold. But against a weak player I would call.
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This is backwards.
Althought I can't imagine a hand I'd play like that you beat.
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bode
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4:1 is juicy, but even a 2c and youre toast. i fold this
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silu73
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by silu_nz
Hand 2
Against a tricky player I would fold. But against a weak player I would call.
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This is backwards.
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Sorry you are absolutely right.
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benny999
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
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He seemed loose preflop (30/14) but nitty postflop.
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go with your reads.
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I agree...in #2 - I don't think this player value bets anything but a flush. It could be a bluff, but I don't think it is often enough even with 20% pot odds.
I like #1, except I prob bet more like pot size or more on the turn to look more bluffy, or something like $12 to milk 33-JJ. If I've been cbetting a lot I prob would bet the flop too, but it's good to mix it up.
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