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Margin Of Error
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01-21-2007, 09:18 AM
Post subject: 2/5 bottom set on draw heavy board.
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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hero($800) is UTG+1
villian ($550) is CO
no history with villian prior to this, he had just sat down a couple hands ago
hero makes it $35 from UTG+1 with  
villian flat calls
flop
  
I make it $70.
He reraises to $140
I shove.
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Beck
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My thoughts: lets say he has KK, AA, AQ, QJ, JT, KQ. then your move is great cause he very well might call, and you have the winning hand. If he has a flush and or straight draw, I think that this is wrong cause you do not give him a reason to make a mistake and call a smaller bet. if he has QQ, JJ we are fucked. if he has AK then atleast we have outs.
I would bet that if he had QQ, JJ, KK, AA then he would have re-raised preflop so most likely this is not in his range. Many would raise AK as well preflop so I would assume that is not in his range That brings us to AQ, JT, QJ, or some crappy draw, air. With these hands I think u want to keep him in the hand and not fold against such a huge reraise. So I say make it 280 forcing him to go all in on the turn and or river. regarless I want all my chips in the pot.
Disclamer: I am still playing 50NL
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-Beck
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Beck
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double post
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-Beck
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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Is this in a casino? If it is this is super duper easy. If it's not. Idk how else you can play this. If this guy folds it would be unbelievable but your probably beating his range.
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zenbitz
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This seems very unlike a draw to min/raise. If you were in position, and he c/r'd I could see calling, but I guess just push. It's hard to imagine a worse flop that trips you. All diamonds I guess is worse, but at least you could get away on a 4th diamond (well, assuming you don't have odds to call with 10 outs)
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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Yeah I shove. Often this is a combo draw with something like KdQd. The only hand I'm really worried about is AK/JJ since they might just flat call preflop. Either way, likely ahead of his range.. Push it!
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Beck
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why push? don't you want more of his chips?
if you are beat, you are beat and gonna loose your stack anyway. why not give him an excuse to make mistakes and give us more chips.
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-Beck
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nutsinho
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Beck
why push? don't you want more of his chips?
if you are beat, you are beat and gonna loose your stack anyway. why not give him an excuse to make mistakes and give us more chips.
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this is the wrong mentality to have on this board. this line of thinking would be more correct if we had bottom set on a board with 0-1 draws. Here, it's pretty bad. There are many cards that could hit the turn that either beat you or kill your action. Pushing is the only play in this hand.
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Big-EZ
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I would agree with a push here. Flat call pre looks like QQ is out of the question. So now we are only worried about JJ or AK. I think most of the time we will find him with a pari and atleast one draw.
You can't try to suck chips out on this board. You have to get your money in while your ahead because if any diamond, 9, ace, or king fall your going to have to lay it down to a big bet. We can only pray if he does have us beat he has AK and we need to pair up the board.
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Beck
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thanx
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-Beck
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