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Miffed22001
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09-24-2008, 11:43 PM
Post subject: 2/4 - River play vs WTF
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Opp is FriarSkank, i have him at 11/5 over a negligible sample. My image is nitty as im just not getting anything.
Preflop is whatever, if i dont do this sometimes then im never gona beat the game etc.
Flop is ABC simple bet, turn is for me a blank versus the range he should be playing in his position.
River im just like wtf? You dont have a Ten ever
Thoughts?
Also, ill add, i dont think this guy is very good at all, especially playing 2/4.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (UTG) ($400)
UTG+1 ($530)
MP1 ($412)
MP2 ($388)
MP3 ($400)
CO ($457)
Button ($1024.60)
SB ($401.10)
BB ($82.60)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9 , 8
Hero raises to $12, UTG+1 calls $12, 4 folds, Button calls $12, 2 folds
Flop: ($42) 7 , 10, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $28, UTG+1 calls $28, 1 fold
Turn: ($98) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $62, UTG+1 calls $62
River: ($222) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $100, UTG+1 raises to $200, Hero calls $100
Total pot: $622 | Rake: $3
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Fnord
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Why did you bet the river into a tight player?
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why did you bet the river into a tight player?
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Edit: try again
I expect him to call with more than he will bet, he doesnt put me on a T or 9. And i think he never has one either, but hero call hands are in his range lots (me value betting AA-KK vs his QQ-JJ) plus some random bluffs (54s or AKs) whatever i might have
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pokerfan
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the guy is sooo nitty 11/5. Is c/c on the turn a bad thing at all?
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
the guy is sooo nitty 11/5. Is c/c on the turn a bad thing at all?
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remember its a tiny sample size. i didnt want to just put 'unkown' as everyone will bitch 
If i bet the turn rather than c/c the decision is on my opponent not me when i estimate his range
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I honestly cannot put an 11/5 on a hand here
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He has QQ+ I'd say about 90% of the time then I'd put him on a misclick. But yeah call
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
the guy is sooo nitty 11/5. Is c/c on the turn a bad thing at all?
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remember its a tiny sample size. i didnt want to just put 'unkown' as everyone will bitch
If i bet the turn rather than c/c the decision is on my opponent not me when i estimate his range |
Its difficult to bet turn to fold out those hands you beat like AQ-AK FD and JJ-QQ unless you are going for 3 -barrel bluff. As played, I snap call and expect to win a nice pot. :P
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
the guy is sooo nitty 11/5. Is c/c on the turn a bad thing at all?
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remember its a tiny sample size. i didnt want to just put 'unkown' as everyone will bitch
If i bet the turn rather than c/c the decision is on my opponent not me when i estimate his range |
Its difficult to bet turn to fold out those hands you beat like AQ-AK FD and JJ-QQ unless you are going for 3 -barrel bluff. As played, I snap call and expect to win a nice pot. :P |
Agreed. hence when we get to the river i want him to think AA-JJ or nothing which is my normal range and hence why i believe there is an easy value bet on river as hes going to talk himself into calling so much.
Also, this must be a pretty good hand because nobody has put him on his hand yet (even spenda whos as lost as i was i think )
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The problem with the river action is that I don't think villain it never going to min raise JJ+ here, unless your image is shitty/spewy.
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Also, this must be a pretty good hand because nobody has put him on his hand yet (even spenda whos as lost as i was i think ) |
I put him on exactly 77 and he was so obsessed with his FH on the turn that he didn't saw that the river paired the 9 
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I would almost certainly put him on 77+ after his flop call, but I imagine he's raising all of his sets so then thats 88, and JJ+.
I don't expect this range to fold which is why I don't care for a bet much and his turn call still fits in that range. The river minraise can take out 88 from his range and he might even fold JJ to a bet so I put him KK+ too. AhKh could also be in his range.
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so him showing ATs is going to make us all cry?
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daven
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why does nobody ever check-call the river?
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Originally Posted by daven
why does nobody ever check-call the river?
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oh, boy. you gotta value bet vs passive nits and c/c vs loose aggressive monkeys If he has T, good for him and we move on to next hand.
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Originally Posted by daven
why does nobody ever check-call the river?
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cos nits don't vbet light or bluff enough.
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