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02-04-2009, 07:03 AM
Post subject: 2/4 river cib?
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saw flop
UTG+1 ($435.40)
Hero (MP1) ($416.30)
MP2 ($80)
MP3 ($400)
CO ($404.65)
Button ($100)
SB ($180.05)
BB ($580)
UTG ($400)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q , A
2 folds, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, CO calls $16, 3 folds
Flop: ($38) 2, 8 , Q (2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24
Turn: ($86) A (2 players)
Hero bets $60, CO calls $60
River: ($206) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $72, CO raises to $144, Hero CIBs?
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reads would be nice.
basically you have to believe he has and will call you with ak/a8. That's not a ton to get value from, I prefer a call.
edit: oh yeah A came on turn so he rarely ever has ak here.
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What? We're not cibbing to get a call were cibbing to induce a shove.
That being said if you CiB there like 110ish behind so villian can't think he has a ton of FE on a pure bluff. Though I do like CiBing alot more than shoving here.
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depends who it is, but I shove against most
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
What? We're not cibbing to get a call were cibbing to induce a shove.
That being said if you CiB there like 110ish behind so villian can't think he has a ton of FE on a pure bluff. Though I do like CiBing alot more than shoving here.
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yeah i thought that might be the idea but villain has to know he has zero fe so i just ignored that
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so is this an unknown?
I can't understand how CiB could ever be better than shoving and shoving in itself seems a bit thin. I don't think anyone's going to bluff 4bet giving you huuuuuge odds on the call, and their 3bet calling range is probably going to be the same regardless of whether you shove or minraise.
Basically I think if 3betting is better than calling, shove>cib but I'm still just tempted to call...
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There are more hands that beat you than would call a raise.
Isn't this a snap call?
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i would of bet against most people in this position of the game...
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lol that one guy is on crack
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I'm kind of a noob when it comes to 2/4 online poker play, because I mostly play live 1-2. But I am slightly confused as to what you think he is calling you with on the turn.
This is my evaluation of the hand. You raise the flop and he calls. He could easily have 22, 88, AQ and KQ. QJ is possible but less likely. AQ is less likely since you already have an ace and 2 queens are present. 22 seems less likely, as he would be more apt to fold 22 preflop and call with 88. Although they are still in his range.
Other than that, he could be calling with air(AK, AJ), or hands like JJ, TT or 99 and is calling to gather more information on the turn. Plus he may think his middle pair is good.
You lead out strong again on the turn. Here he would fold the middle pairs, would think about folding KQ or QJ and would call with AK, AJ and AQ. He will likely raise his sets and AQ here but I don't know this for sure. (Maybe someone can help me with this one)
On the river I don't understand why you keep on firing, he is only going to keep calling large bets with sets and AQ...and I don't think A8 is really in his preflop range. It seems like I would normally check call the river, taking a conservative approach. My opponent may think his AK is good and bet, or he may bluff(although not likely given our strength throughout the hand).
If AK is not in his preflop range because he would 3 bet this preflop, then I still think check calling the river is better. Why keep making a large pot when the only hands that are calling are better hands than ours. The board texture is quite dry so he would be more apt to slowplay sets to us. His calls keep looking more like a hand that beats us.
If someone would be so enlightened to tell me why betting the river accomplishes anything I would be very thankful. Hopefully I am not coming off as though I know everything because I realise I do not.
-Daniel
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ummmm... what does "cib" mean?
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ummmm... what does "cib" mean?
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Click it back. Minraising a reraise.
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minraising a raise not a reraise
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sk8r_daniel
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So no one is considering checking this river?!!
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Originally Posted by sk8r_daniel
So no one is considering checking this river?!!
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are you high?
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sk8r_daniel
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The only hand that you are value betting is KQ. Is the player you are playing against a total calling station?? In that case I would definitly bet the river. But at the 2/4 level I am assuming that player's are not donking off with 2nd pair shitty kicker.
And no I am not high I am quite serious and would like a more serious response than 'are you high'.
Any other insights, as to what he knows about your play would be nice, or your image up to this point.
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sk8r_daniel
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Or better yet, why don't you give me a list of all the hands you except to value bet that he will call, that fit the betting action.
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lol cib and leav urself with like $50 ?
no reads no advice here.
but 90% of time easy value shove imo.
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wow i just noticed how bad ur river bet was...bet more..ur loosing too much value.
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