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Old 10-29-2006, 03:01 PM     Post subject: 2/4 NL How do you feel about this hand? #1 (permalink)  
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2/4 game, 300 max. I havnt seen villian raise anything less than A10s in early position. I'm dealt in MP1. Villian is UTG and raises to $16. I reraise to $50. LP1 had posted missed blinds and flat calls. UTG calls as well.

Flop comes

Villian checks, I push all-in for 330. LP1 thinks about it for a long time and mucks. UTG calls.




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Old 10-30-2006, 08:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 do we think he'll call with QQ because i'd push here if opp has shown a tendancy to make crying calls.
TT a possibility.
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Old 10-30-2006, 01:13 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 why do we need to know what opps did?
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Old 10-30-2006, 01:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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So you have a high pocket. Big deal. Represent it preflop, confirm it on the flop, and MAYBE escape if a reasonable opponent comes over the top when you continue for $100. Perhaps you call if he comes over the top anyway, but within that range will be hands you have smoked sometimes.
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
 
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Old 10-30-2006, 03:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Well heres my thought process on the hand, tell me where you think I made a mistake. Preflop I'm trying to get it heads up, maybe I should have reraised to more like $65, but whatever. The extra caller had me real worried about a hand like AQ/AJ of clubs. I figure that whatever LP1 has that hes calling $50 preflop with action in front of him has got to be something hes willing to see a turn for with $150 in the pot. If one of them has clubs the worst thing I could do is bet $100 because thats an instacall. Villian only had $218 behind postflop so any bet that gives him the wrong odds to draw is basically going to put him all-in.

The only other line I can see making any sense is checking to the turn and folding if a scare card comes. However I really felt like I was ahead here and I wasnt going to let them draw out with correct odds.
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Old 10-30-2006, 04:05 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Villian only had $218 behind postflop so any bet that gives him the wrong odds to draw is basically going to put him all-in.
In this spot or any spot for that matter I think you should be maximizing the amount of mistakes your opponents make. To me it looks like you were trying to maximize fold equity on the flop incorrectly, because you were drooling over the chips in the middle. I'm not saying I wouldn't or haven't done the same, especially in tournaments. I'm just playing devils advocate, and part hypocrit.
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Old 10-30-2006, 04:18 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 with 150$ in the pot already, any flush draw that contains an ace or a straight draw should be getting it in anyway. All your all in bet does is incorrectly make it easy for the hands you'd prefer to keep in the pot (JJ-QQ) to fold. Therefore, this is a pretty crappy play. Actually, I think it is a terrible play. However, as Rondavu pointed out I'm definitely being somewhat of a hypocrite since I'd generally try to take big pots like this down quickly and efficiently. However, if you're going for EV, betting half pot is probably the best play.
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Yeah thats probably right. For arguments sake lets say I lead out for $75, get 2 callers. Turn comes . How do you play turn/river from this point?
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Is this a live hand? This doesn't look like online poker.

If this is a live hand, I *love* how the hand was played.
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:46 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Is this a live hand? This doesn't look like online poker.

If this is a live hand, I *love* how the hand was played.

It was a live hand. What makes you say that though?
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Old 10-30-2006, 08:19 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Is this a live hand? This doesn't look like online poker.

If this is a live hand, I *love* how the hand was played.

It was a live hand. What makes you say that though?
Live Poker != Online Poker. Opponents are much more likely to make absurd calls for lots of money. Particularly pre-flop. This requires significant adjustments. For example, my Online style of play spews too many chips in these games. No need to build a pot either in lots of these games because the lives ones are willing to stack off with top pair no kicker in unraised pots.

Also, you gave us something remotely resembling a read. Although if that's all you can say about these folks after more than 1 orbit, you might want to work on that.

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All your all in bet does is incorrectly make it easy for the hands you'd prefer to keep in the pot (JJ-QQ) to fold.
It would take an absurd amount of money behind for QQ/JJ to regularly fold here. Heck, I think they still would quite often call with 1k behind.

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