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sweetlemon69
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02-12-2008, 04:03 PM
Post subject: 10NL - Loose call?
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 296
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Villan was over 8 hands... looked loose'ish.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($9.65)
UTG ($12.65)
UTG+1 ($2.45)
Hero ($12.85)
MP2 ($10)
MP3 ($11.50)
CO ($10.10)
Button ($12.25)
SB ($10.70)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A , J.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, MP2 calls $0.40, MP3 calls $0.40, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.7, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30.
Flop: ($2.90) 5, 2 , T (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50.
Turn: ($8.90) K (2 players)
SB bets $7 (All-In), Hero calls $7.
River: ($0) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $22.90
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Pythonic
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Flop played fine, just be careful raising AJs this early after the blinds.
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Jimmy Mac
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Full House
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Looks fine, although I would bet the flop a little harder.
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Deanglow
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Every street is a-ok. I'm tempted to shove the flop though.
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sweetlemon69
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Every street is a-ok. I'm tempted to shove the flop though.
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Are we shoving here as it looks like villan is weak with the check? Possibly -99 scared of the overcards?
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bumbling_ass
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02-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Post subject: Nice Hand!
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Hey sweetlemon,
IMHO, the loose call was preflop- Post flop, I think you played well. There are many styles of pre-flop play out there, but personally, I'm not a fan of risking 2.5x pot with AJ in EP. I'm also likely to fold an AJ against a reraise preflop, unless you have a solid read on the villain's 3-betting range. All that aside, I agree with Jimmy about betting the flop pretty hard- I would bet pot here, and call the min-raise- In your example, you're getting about 5 to 1 pot odds to draw to your flush on the flop. (you need about 3 to 1 excluding implied odds, etc.) If you had bet pot, and he min-raised, you would still be getting 4 to 1 on the call.
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sweetlemon69
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02-12-2008, 09:45 PM
Post subject: Re: Nice Hand!
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#7 (permalink)
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Flush
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Originally Posted by bumbling_ass
Hey sweetlemon,
IMHO, the loose call was preflop- Post flop, I think you played well. There are many styles of pre-flop play out there, but personally, I'm not a fan of risking 2.5x pot with AJ in EP. I'm also likely to fold an AJ against a reraise preflop, unless you have a solid read on the villain's 3-betting range. All that aside, I agree with Jimmy about betting the flop pretty hard- I would bet pot here, and call the min-raise- In your example, you're getting about 5 to 1 pot odds to draw to your flush on the flop. (you need about 3 to 1 excluding implied odds, etc.) If you had bet pot, and he min-raised, you would still be getting 4 to 1 on the call.
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SUCH good points! Thanks SO much! Thanks to the greats in this forum I've ruled out AJ in EP, and AJs I still need to ween off like a bad habbit 
I REALLY like the betting pot on the flop to hopefully provoke a min raise and get proper odds. Are we betting the flop (pot size) to hope for a fold, but yet if there is a raise, and it's a terrible one, we build a pot and get the odds to call? Is betting a pot size villan dependant?
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d0zer
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Is a PFR with AJs in MP1 really that loose?
Calling the min-3bet is mandatory
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bumbling_ass
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02-12-2008, 10:35 PM
Post subject: Re: Nice Hand!
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#9 (permalink)
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
I REALLY like the betting pot on the flop to hopefully provoke a min raise and get proper odds. Are we betting the flop (pot size) to hope for a fold, but yet if there is a raise, and it's a terrible one, we build a pot and get the odds to call?
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In this situation if I am betting the flop, I want to build a pot or steal it on the flop with a good draw. I like to bet the size of the pot because it disguises the strength of my hand. (It looks like I'm betting a top pair hand to try and chase out a flush draw.)
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
Is betting a pot size villan dependant?
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Yes. If you have noticed that this player likes to check-raise all-in on the flop when he is the preflop raiser, I would tend to play this draw passively. (One could also make the case for playing with caution here when the pot was re-raised preflop in general). You want to avoid spewing into a maniac. In addition, I would not make this play every time you have a flush draw, because if anyone is aware of your play, they will start to look you up, or try to raise you out with better hands.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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yet another STOOOOOPID minraiser that hasnt ever heard of FTR...moron. he got what he deserved.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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sweetlemon69
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 296
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Chopper
yet another STOOOOOPID minraiser that hasnt ever heard of FTR...moron. he got what he deserved.
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hahhhahahha love it =D
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