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07-24-2008, 12:42 PM
Post subject: 10K stats at NL10
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pokerfan
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these stats look more like 6-max  Seriously, you must tighten up in 10NL fishy games.
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I've been following Renton's recommendations + limping sooted aces in EP or shit like JTs
Probably a losing proposition since I probably wouldn't get paid for a big hand anyway with suited connectors or whatnot
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MuddyWicket
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stop limping in early positions. your implied odds degenerate and you will be bullied off hands as well. Try to raise or fold in the first 3 spots regardless of what happens in front.
learn to fold QQ when there is aces and kings on the board.
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daven
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Originally Posted by iopq
I've been following Renton's recommendations + limping sooted aces in EP or shit like JTs
Probably a losing proposition
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First up, nice results. I think 10nl is beatable with almost any pre-flop game - I played a few hands to dry and bug-fix the latest version of PT3, after a freeze cost me >$300... it's a funny game.
Second up, you have a bunch of leaks.
until you get a lot better, I suggest raise or fold pre-flop from UTG and UTG+1 - maybe limp but only VERY rarely, currently you are 16-8 and 13-5 from these two positions. AXs and hands like TJs are hands you shouldn't play often from EP, for a while I suggest not playing them at all. This was one of my leaks for a while - polarising my EP range etc, but I didn't understand that it's an only sometimes thing to do. Play a nit-aggro range from EP, pairs 55+, AK, AQs.
Overall you are 18-6, tightening up and raising more in EP should get this closer to 15-10 - which is a good start.
Limp/call less from the button and CO, raise more here. Do some stealing and some isolating from late position.
You'l do fine.
edit: compare your stats to those of pokerfan http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ck-t73799.html
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How am I 18-6, I'm 18/10/5
Also: there is no UTG+1, it's a 9-handed game so in reality it's MP
UTG, MP1-3, HJ, CO, BTN, SB, BB
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TheScientist23
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the 18/6 he was referring to was in that specific position, not overall.
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daven
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Originally Posted by iopq
How am I 18-6, I'm 18/10/5
Also: there is no UTG+1, it's a 9-handed game so in reality it's MP
UTG, MP1-3, HJ, CO, BTN, SB, BB
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18-10, you're right, i should be more careful looking at stats while 14-tabling  this same mistake lead me to believe you were beating 10nl for a solid rate - i was wrong. My comments still stand.
As for 9-handed meaning it's UTG+1 or MP1 - it doesn't make a difference what you call it, unless you are relying WAY too much on starting hand charts... I play full ring on FT, so it's also 9-handed - so i'm still thinking of the same relative position when i refer to utg+1
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Originally Posted by thescientist23
the 18/6 he was referring to was in that specific position, not overall.
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, nah, i just made a mistake. Happens often enough!
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TonyB73
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Agree with what has already been said, and would add that I think you're also too aggro on the flop. Flop AF of 6.6 and overall AF of 5, combined with a fair bit of limping, probably means you're betting your way into some tough spots with marginal hands.
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Originally Posted by TonyB73
Agree with what has already been said, and would add that I think you're also too aggro on the flop. Flop AF of 6.6 and overall AF of 5, combined with a fair bit of limping, probably means you're betting your way into some tough spots with marginal hands.
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I knew it! I should play more nitty.
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spoonitnow
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To me, your post-flop game seems fine stats-wise, which means you're probably where you should be in terms of post-flop play to beat 10nl pretty well.
Pre-flop, you need to tighten up in early position (UTG, UTG+1, and MP1). You've played more hands UTG than you have in the HJ when it should typically be the case that you're playing closer to half the hands in UTG as you do in the HJ.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
To me, your post-flop game seems fine stats-wise, which means you're probably where you should be in terms of post-flop play to beat 10nl pretty well.
Pre-flop, you need to tighten up in early position (UTG, UTG+1, and MP1). You've played more hands UTG than you have in the HJ when it should typically be the case that you're playing closer to half the hands in UTG as you do in the HJ.
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Well, keep in mind this is only 10K hands and I got better hands in the first 3 positions. So I've raised more UTG than on the CO.
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