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PapalRage
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06-04-2008, 11:19 PM
Post subject: 1010 3 bet pot against LP raise
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villian is 16/8/2.5. ive been a bit lost in 3 bet pots with 1010/JJ lately in blind vs. LP raise situations. comments on all streets please.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($103.45)
UTG ($69.95)
UTG+1 ($25.50)
MP1 ($183.75)
MP2 ($19.90)
CO ($93)
Button ($129.45)
SB ($254.45)
Preflop: Hero is BB with T , T .
4 folds, CO raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $10.
Flop: ($28.50) 9 , 7, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $21, CO calls $21.
Turn: ($70.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $28, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $70.50
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gross but i think fine. Maybe a case can be made for calling pre...
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Robb
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NH pre and on flop. But here's my thoughts on his range. He's not really getting 15x on his 3bet call preflop, so if he's got five or ten working brain cells (which HUD could indicate), he shouldn't be calling with small pp's here. His more correct play is to call the 3bet with AK, ATs+, TT-QQ kind of hands. Against that range, you're ahead. In which case, we can bet one more street.
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PapalRage
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Originally Posted by Robb
NH pre and on flop. But here's my thoughts on his range. He's not really getting 15x on his 3bet call preflop, so if he's got five or ten working brain cells (which HUD could indicate), he shouldn't be calling with small pp's here. His more correct play is to call the 3bet with AK, ATs+, TT-QQ kind of hands. Against that range, you're ahead. In which case, we can bet one more street.
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i don't think villain would flat the flop with AK or ATs+ (although he might not even call pre with A10s or AJs). Also, people seem to love flatting 3 bets with AA/KK so i definitely put that in his range. After he called the flop, i obviously put him on a very strong range so i don't think i can bet turn unless i want to try and bluff out JJ/QQ.
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ndultimate.
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PapalRage
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Originally Posted by badgers
gross but i think fine. Maybe a case can be made for calling pre...
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Yea, i was more curious about preflop. If I am not going to stack off on basically anything without a 10, aren't i basically turning my hand into a bluff? I don't think im getting the most value by 3 betting. Is this a good spot to flat call pre and lead a bunch of flops?
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Robb
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Originally Posted by PapalRage
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Originally Posted by Robb
NH pre and on flop. But here's my thoughts on his range. He's not really getting 15x on his 3bet call preflop, so if he's got five or ten working brain cells (which HUD could indicate), he shouldn't be calling with small pp's here. His more correct play is to call the 3bet with AK, ATs+, TT-QQ kind of hands. Against that range, you're ahead. In which case, we can bet one more street.
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i don't think villain would flat the flop with AK or ATs+ (although he might not even call pre with A10s or AJs). Also, people seem to love flatting 3 bets with AA/KK so i definitely put that in his range. After he called the flop, i obviously put him on a very strong range so i don't think i can bet turn unless i want to try and bluff out JJ/QQ. |
If that's your read, you played it solid on every street. nh
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kmind
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Perfectly fine. You were bluffing the whole way and he's not folding.
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Gah. This screams float so much. and Robb he has the odds to call with all PP's. It's marginal but still +EV since most people don't 3 bet too light FR.
Either way its fine between fold or CRAI read dependant. I'm probably folding against unknowns here.
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looks fine on every street.
3-betting pre is fine cos you have fold equity...
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awkward spot. As BBickes said, this is so read and history dependant.
Preflop depends on his range for calling 3bets and vs many villians we´re turning our hand into a bluff, which isn´t a bad play imo. Call and lead isnt that great, since we wont catch that many good flops we could comfortably lead out on, versus aggro villians I like to call and CR bluff a ton of flops with my mid and small pps tho.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
Gah. This screams float so much. and Robb he has the odds to call with all PP's. It's marginal but still +EV since most people don't 3 bet too light FR.
Either way its fine between fold or CRAI read dependant. I'm probably folding against unknowns here.
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Yeah, I hear ya. Calling a 3bet with pp's, you should be able to get value out of a set. And plenty o' peeps call too thin when they're set hunting. Probably giving him too much credit, expecting him lay down pp's pre.
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Renton
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something tells me if you can't continue here, then you should have called pre or checked flop
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pgil
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your hand looks so much like AK/AQ with the way it is played.
more relevant stats would be att to steal, your 3 bet frequency, and any read on villains willingness to call 3bets light/play back at light 3bettors.
I personally don't think you have turned your hand into a bluff the whole way as others have suggested. If you have, that seems like a waste. You should probably have called the turn bet at least, and should probably block most rivers.
Without some idea of how loosely opp is likely to call your 3bet, I don't think we can completely remove smaller PP's, weird draws (including backdoor flushes), and even a 9.
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PapalRage
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Originally Posted by pgil
You should probably have called the turn bet at least, and should probably block most rivers.
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if i call the turn bet, he has only 30 behind in a now ~130 dollar pot so how could i block bet?
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ndultimate.
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PapalRage
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Originally Posted by Renton
something tells me if you can't continue here, then you should have called pre or checked flop
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i kinda like the idea of checking flop, am i planning to just call a bet or crai?
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Originally Posted by Renton
something tells me if you can't continue here, then you should have called pre or checked flop
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exactly why I thought he was bluffing the whole way
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pgil
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if he's only got 30 left after making that turn bet, then why don't you just put the rest in on the turn. overpair in a 3bet pot with less than pot behind = AI, doesn't it?
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