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Old 09-24-2009, 12:54 AM     Post subject: 100NL, yeti theorum or spewy monkey? #1 (permalink)  
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villian in both hands 3 bet vs my strong line on such dry flops. Can we apply yeti theorum to these situations?

hand 1: opp is a regular running 15/13/4. His cbet% is 63%. I dont really think that he 3 bet with a monster in this spot. Also my shove has huge FE and some suckout equity even if he does have a better hand than us. We had some preflop battle history a few hands ago: he 4bet small on bt vs my 55 3bet from sb and I snap folded.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 6
4 folds, MP3 bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 2, 8, 6 (2 players)
MP3 bets $5, Hero raises $17, MP3 raises $30, Hero raises $81.50 (All-In)

Total pot: $77.50

hand 2: opp is 20/20/3 over 70 hands. His ATS% is 50%. 3bet preflop might be the best option but i chose to flat call. c/r is for value cuz our range is ahead of his BT opening range. His small 3 bet sounds to me like a weak range. Can we use yeti theorum to PWN this villian?? 4 bet for value?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q
5 folds, Button bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) J, J, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero raises $9, Button raises $20, Hero 4 bet ?
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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wtf are you doing these are terrible. Yeti theorem does not apply when your villains are massively retarded 100nl nits with no thought to balancing ranges.

Hand one, villain has a set. gg.

Hand 2. Villain has some bluffs in his range, but mostly just jacks, jacks and more jacks. Also 33.

If you provided some other read maybe these aren't so terrible. But with the info provided this is just
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Wow I just reread your post and my head exploded.

How on earth is it a 4bet for value? Do you expect him to call with worse?
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:58 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: flat flop, fold to his 3b. if you don't think he's 3betting to "see where he's at" then he does have a monster and it's time to get out.

Hand 2: flat or 3b is fine. I prefer flatting. c/c flop is a better line here. obviously fold to the 3bet since you know nothing about him.
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hand 1: I don't like flop flat vs postflop aggressive villians cuz there are tons of turn cards he can use to db bluffing. My thought process is that who fucking 3 bet with sets on such dry flops? They either bluff with air or see where he is at. Any sane regulars can't really stand the all-in heat w/o a monster. Yeah,loose aggressive style PWN TAG.
hand 2:c/c for value sounds a good option. I'm just happy to pick up his cbet and take it down right on the flop.
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hand 1: I don't like flop flat vs postflop aggressive villians cuz there are tons of turn cards he can use to db bluffing.
while this is true you can pick up 27 cards on turn that improve your hand from gutter to trips and raising turn has more fe than raising this flop.
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hand 1: I don't like flop flat vs postflop aggressive villians cuz there are tons of turn cards he can use to db bluffing.
while this is true you can pick up 27 cards on turn that improve your hand from gutter to trips and raising turn has more fe than raising this flop.
we raise flop and let our aggressive opponents play passively in later streets.We can also db with improved outs or some scary high cards(more trustable) and check back unimproved with some suckout equity.
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...em-t70711.html

Also, high cards aren't good for us because we're repping ???
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hand one we don't have that much fold equity or suck out equity because he has a fucking set
hand two same but he has trips or a boat

yeti theorem should be rewritten to saying you should call them down
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Why are you raising these flops as a bluff when you have good showdown value if you think villain is going to be bluff 3betting you?

In hand one I really really like calling with the intention of bluff raising turns which give us equity. It's going to be super-hard for villain to put us on a backdoor draw and I think we're going to be surrendering the pot on the turn only around 1/4 of the time.

I'm pretty sure if villain folded hand one he folded 22.
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Why are you raising these flops as a bluff when you have good showdown value if you think villain is going to be bluff 3betting you?

In hand one I really really like calling with the intention of bluff raising turns which give us equity. It's going to be super-hard for villain to put us on a backdoor draw and I think we're going to be surrendering the pot on the turn only around 1/4 of the time.

I'm pretty sure if villain folded hand one he fold 22.
yeah, he did fold his hand. Can you really think that he is crazy enough to fold 22??? As i said above, he either bluff or 3 bet small for more information with the intention of folding to the heat. also, how many times you see pair 6 win the pot vs an aggressive villians if we play passively?? I'm just happy to end the pot right on the flop.Our flop raise plus turn DB semi-bluffing if possible would be more credible and we have the option to check back when OOP opponents go pot control passive mode.
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I don't mind somebody folding the bottom set anyway. Fucking nits got PWNed.
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dude you did not pwn him. This hand is absolutely awful and you got lucky.
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