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Keilah
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10-18-2008, 10:32 AM
Post subject: 100NL vs tagreg
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Full House
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K this hand owned the shiz out of me and I couldnt process it due to multitabling... what to do here?
Villain is DudeTristan, an aggro reg 11/8/5.
PS it's always always ALWAYS the hands where someone can say "why not get the money in sooner?" where I run into tough spots.
PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($21.05)
Button ($101.35)
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($105.55)
UTG ($113.15)
UTG+1 ($94.40)
MP1 ($169.80)
MP2 ($77.15)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 , 5
5 folds, Button raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($7) 4, 7 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $15, Hero calls $10
Turn: ($37) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, Button calls $22
River: ($81) 3 (2 players)
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spoonitnow
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You have to be either running bad, results oriented, or suck, or a combination of the above.
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PS it's always always ALWAYS the hands where someone can say "why not get the money in sooner?" where I run into tough spots.
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Or it could be that you perfectly explain your problem here and never learn from it. Hint: The flop.
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Muzzard
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10-18-2008, 01:42 PM
Post subject: Re: 100NL vs tagreg
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Keilah
why not get the money in sooner?
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That is all.
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badgers
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why does every like to donk bet with sets against nits who aren't going to be floating/bluff arising much with air???
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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Keilah
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Full House
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This guy will raise with air a lot. Don't you know him?
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bigspenda73
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I dont like any street in this hand (inc. PF)
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by badgers
why does every like to donk bet with sets against nits who aren't going to be floating/bluff arising much with air???
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QFMFT. It would probably be correct for villain to fold TT vs the range of hands you donk the flop with, which means you really need to re-think the ways you try to get value out of your big hands.
Hint: donking with a balanced range > never donking >>>> donking with only sets and big draws
Also I agree with bigspenda.
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daven
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I dont like any street in this hand (inc. PF)
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this
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KeliSobrao
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Fold or 3bet pre. As played 3-bet the flop if you are going to lead in the first place...
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I dont like any street in this hand (inc. PF)
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This.
To make this pre-flop call, you're going to have to take it away with air a fair % of the time or have some other master plan for f'ing with him.
If he's a typical table camper, then just let him have your SB and move on because he won't take it often enough to care.
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BankItDrew
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I play the same way preflop and am starting to think it's a huge leak.
Definitely 3bet flop btw.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I play the same way preflop and am starting to think it's a huge leak.
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It can't be.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
donking with a balanced range > never donking
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People c-bet too much. I like to run lots of c/r and c/c lines.
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KeliSobrao
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I play the same way preflop and am starting to think it's a huge leak.
Definitely 3bet flop btw.
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Yeah, it took me a long time to realise just how often I was making bad calls pre-flop in and out of position with small pocket pairs. It is so easy to over estimate implied odds... especially these days a lot of players know that over pairs aren't the nuts post-flop.
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nutsinho
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What Everyone Said
Your play by street starts out bad and gets progressively worse. On the river you need to c/f or check/soulread if villain is aggressive enough to turn an overpair into a bluff.
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I play the same way preflop and am starting to think it's a huge leak.
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MuddyWicket
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Slansky said something about implied odds being reduced oop plus if they are stealling in late position they are not likely to want to get involved in a large pot, making ur implieds even worse becuase they have so much cack in thier range.
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Well, if you're calling with a PP you would need to float some flops to compensate for the fact that you don't hit enough and that you'll almost never stack him when you flop a set. Too bad floating OOP sucks fat dick.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by KeliSobrao
especially these days a lot of players know that over pairs aren't the nuts post-flop.
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Still is the nuts for me.
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KeliSobrao
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Originally Posted by iopq
Well, if you're calling with a PP you would need to float some flops to compensate for the fact that you don't hit enough and that you'll almost never stack him when you flop a set. Too bad floating OOP sucks fat dick.
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Amen.
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Originally Posted by KeliSobrao
especially these days a lot of players know that over pairs aren't the nuts post-flop.
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Still is the nuts for me. |
I know, but 11/8's are basically looking for excuses to fold hands like unimproved pocket tens/jacks post-flop even on low boards... not to say they won't put in some money before they fold.
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