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Old 08-08-2008, 02:05 AM     Post subject: 100NL, two trivial hands vs weak tight regulars #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villain is a 11/7.5/2.2 tight passive regular over 5000 hands. His cb% and steal% are both pretty low.
It just comes down to the question of how big his pocket is in this spot?
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Hero ($99)
BB ($112.20)
UTG ($106.35)
UTG+1 ($200.35)
MP1 ($133.05)
MP2 ($103.50)
CO ($18.50)
Button ($205.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T, T.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($13) 3, 2, 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets $7, Hero calls $7, UTG folds.

Turn: ($27) 2 (2 players)
Hero ?

hand 2: villain is a weak tight regular running 12/7.6/3 over 2000 hands. I know my preflop call is a little bit loose, huh? His attention to steal % is 25% and cb% is 52%.

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BB ($30)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($90.05)
MP1 ($115.40)
MP2 ($94.80)
CO ($26)
Button ($98.50)
Hero ($104.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, K.
5 folds, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) T, 2, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($21) T (2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button calls $12.

River: ($45) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $18, Hero ?
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:09 AM     Post subject: Re: 100NL, two trivial hands vs weak tight regulars #2 (permalink)  
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I know my preflop call is absurdly standard against anyone who's ever heard of a steal
Hand 1: Bet/fold the turn, check/fold the river.
Hand 2: You kept the pot size down, I'd just look him up.
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:56 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 i agree with fnord, hand 2 why did you bet the turn??
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hand 1 i agree with fnord, hand 2 why did you bet the turn??
hand 2: i just mixed up my play in these spots. Sometimes my TPGK line is c/c & c/c but i dont really feel comfortable on the river vs these passive nits.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:45 AM #5 (permalink)  
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hand 1 i agree with fnord, hand 2 why did you bet the turn??
Worse hands check behind and the paired T will freeze up better hands.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:54 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I think hand 1 is closer to c/f than b/f against 100nl FR nits on this turn card.
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Fair enough, I just don't like to fold good hands.
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Old 08-08-2008, 08:26 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 You also want to take into account that 22-77 typically limps behind an UTG limper from a player with these stats.
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:10 AM #9 (permalink)  

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hand 1, what makes his range JJ+ since some feel that hero is behind here?? Would villian not take this very line with smaller pockets then hero??
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:42 AM #10 (permalink)  
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yeah, the guy is sooo tight passive that c/f might be optimal given his preflop/flop action. By the way, this solid read is based on 5000+ hands i played with him in 100 FR.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:35 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 1. I wouldnt lead the turn, as your opp is passive and i feel your hand is fairly face up (look ma! I haz a pair!)

2. I dont mind this hand, i play a hand similar to this but id bet the river to follow up when i called with Tx on the flop or missed my draw if i played it this way.
I just think its too much for 100nl, which for me is all about value
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i feel your hand is fairly face up
Sometimes I like to mix it up and actually have the hand I'm representing.
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 Just checkcall the turn in hand 1 and probably checkfold the river but im a station so idk. No reason to bet.

hand 2 similar situation just checkcall down and lead river if he checks behind turn
 
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