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pokerfan
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03-17-2008, 04:11 PM
Post subject: 100nl, top two on monotone flop facing strong resistance
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villain is 28/7.7/4 around 40 hands. Preflop minraiser is a regular runing 13.2/5.9/3.8. Do you guys fold, call or 3 bet preflop with QJs in this position? after putting so much in the pot on the flop, i figured that i was all but committed at that point,right? whats the best play preflop and postflop in this scenario??
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
UTG+1 ($80.60)
MP1 ($76.20)
MP2 ($126)
Hero ($97.50)
Button ($90.15)
SB ($51.40)
BB ($231.30)
UTG ($89.50)
Preflop: Hero is CO with  ,  .
3 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $4, MP2 calls $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, SB calls $2.
Flop: ($20)  ,  ,  (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $22, Button calls $22, SB folds, BB folds.
Turn: ($68)  (2 players)
Hero ?
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pokerfan
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any comments on this hand would be appreciated  i need to know how you guys play this preflop, flop and turn. what ranges do you put this villain on?
are you still confident in the strength of our hand when he flat called a huge raise?
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d0zer
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I definitely fold preflop from a villain minraising with those stats. One of those situations where i'd rather call with 56s. I dunno if I'm too nitty or what, but I hate calling raises of any kind from tighter villains with easily dominated hands like QJ.
As played I think you've gotta play the turn hard. 3/4 pot ...villain could have KK/AA/AQ/AK with a club & may pay hefty to chase.
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XTR1000
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Tricky.
Calling pre isnt bad. 3betting would require a read he´s minraising weak hands, folding sucks cuz it´s sooted, ur in position, his range is quite narrow and QJs plays well post, if we avoid stacking off w/ one pairs.
Flop is worst case. Button could be slowplaying the nutflush, drawing with AcX or holding a 55 that doesn´t know where it stands. We´re a 2:1 dog vs this range.
On turn I´m indifferent between b/f and c/c. B/f seems good, since we cant fold a non-club river if we c/c turn.
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you dont feel pot commited at all if we b/f given our stack pot ratio on the turn?
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Originally Posted by XTR1000
Tricky.
Calling pre isnt bad. 3betting would require a read he´s minraising weak hands, folding sucks cuz it´s sooted, ur in position, his range is quite narrow and QJs plays well post, if we avoid stacking off w/ one pairs.
Flop is worst case. Button could be slowplaying the nutflush, drawing with AcX or holding a 55 that doesn´t know where it stands. We´re a 2:1 dog vs this range.
On turn I´m indifferent between b/f and c/c. B/f seems good, since we cant fold a non-club river if we c/c turn.
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Originally Posted by XTR1000
Tricky.
Calling pre isnt bad. 3betting would require a read he´s minraising weak hands, folding sucks cuz it´s sooted, ur in position, his range is quite narrow and QJs plays well post, if we avoid stacking off w/ one pairs.
Flop is worst case. Button could be slowplaying the nutflush, drawing with AcX or holding a 55 that doesn´t know where it stands. We´re a 2:1 dog vs this range.
On turn I´m indifferent between b/f and c/c. B/f seems good, since we cant fold a non-club river if we c/c turn.
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How much do you bet here? more then $30 and you'll be putting more then 1/2 your stack and folding to a huge pot ...
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XTR1000
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Good question, didn´t note potsize on turn.
This makes it c/f or b/c and without reads our choice depends on our willingness to gamble.
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xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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jimmy44
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My line here would be c/f.
If it was HU on flop, then I would shove.
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pokerfan
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oh, well. i just realized that FTR is a nit garden 
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My line here would be c/f.
If it was HU on flop, then I would shove.
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I definitely fold preflop from a villain minraising with those stats. One of those situations where i'd rather call with 56s. I dunno if I'm too nitty or what, but I hate calling raises of any kind from tighter villains with easily dominated hands like QJ.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I definitely fold preflop from a villain minraising with those stats. One of those situations where i'd rather call with 56s. I dunno if I'm too nitty or what, but I hate calling raises of any kind from tighter villains with easily dominated hands like QJ.
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...but...but...I say poosh the turn, so am I a preflop nit and a postflop LAGG?
...or more likely a clueless donk?
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