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Old 07-30-2009, 12:02 AM     Post subject: 100NL, These turn/river donk bets really drove me crazy!!!!! #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villian is 14/14/2 unknown over 50 hands. Yeah, I smelt their weakness. So i decided to throw out some flop bet and take it down right there. Is our hand with improved outs still ahead of his range on the turn?
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Hero (MP3) ($100)
CO ($106.70)
Button ($20)
SB ($49)
BB ($20)
UTG ($35.15)
UTG+1 ($27.45)
MP1 ($31.50)
MP2 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4, 4
UTG bets $3, UTG+1 calls $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, 4 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 3, 10, 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7, 1 fold

Turn: ($24.50) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero ?

hand 2: villian is total unknown. WTF on the river? Did i get valued town? So frustrated!!!!!

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MP2 ($100)
CO ($100)
Hero (Button) ($156.45)
SB ($171)
BB ($100)
UTG ($128.05)
MP1 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
4 folds, Hero bets $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7) 5, 8, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB calls $4.50

Turn: ($16) K (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($40) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $32, Hero ?
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Old 07-30-2009, 04:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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bump. these medium-size pots cost me lots of money.
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Old 07-30-2009, 05:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1 : obv we're not ahead of his range on the turn, but we're getting 3.5:1 and we're ~4.5:1 to hit presuming 10 outs, so we would need to win $10 every river we hit even if we have the best hand every time. I think it's a very close fold. Also preflop is a fold vs. 2 shortstackers especially with these stack sizes yet to act. If there's a full stacked donk in the blinds then fine but this is just bad.

2 : This is lame. I call this but it may be bad. I just think he shows up with TJ/TQ/7t/7x/6x/Ax too often to fold. Any indication that he's remotely competent/nitty and I fold
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Old 07-30-2009, 05:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Also preflop is a fold vs. 2 shortstackers especially with these stack sizes yet to act. If there's a full stacked donk in the blinds then fine but this is just bad.

2 : This is lame. I call this but it may be bad. I just think he shows up with TJ/TQ/7t/7x/6x/Ax too often to fold. Any indication that he's remotely competent/nitty and I fold
Hand 1: oh, i didnt notice that they were both this short :P.
hand 2: he is probably 26/8/2 something over 30 hands.
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