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Old 07-02-2008, 07:21 PM     Post subject: 100NL, QQ preflop call or push ? #1 (permalink)  
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I observed the table for a while and noticed that mp3 is uber LAG huge stationy donk. SB is 26/5.7/0.7 over 120 hands. Call &let big stack in the game or just shove myself ? All i was concerned about is how to maximize my equity in this spot even though sb had me crushed already. any thoughts?
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CO ($98.50)
Button ($104.50)
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UTG ($102.60)
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MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($18.50)
MP3 ($235.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
4 folds, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, MP3 calls $17, Button folds, SB raises to $60, Hero ?
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Old 07-03-2008, 05:41 AM #2 (permalink)  
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weird spot. you shoving might be more likely to get his money than you calling. I have no idea TBH.

I'd time out and fold.
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Old 07-03-2008, 05:50 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Fold or raise.
Fold if you think you're behind.
Raise if you think you're ahead.

You need to play against MP3 from this point on.


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If you think MP3 is such a donk that he may call if you call the 4bet from SB, then I would call. The pot will be around $223 (and you'll have about $40) and you can push any FLOP. Such a donk will be pressed to call a push with anything with those odds!

Note: if MP3 doesn't call, the pot will be $103 and you have to call $42 where you're getting near 2.45-1 and where you need around 29% equity. If you can add AK into SB's range making it KK+,AK, then I think you have enough pot odds to even call SB's push (I don't have pokerstove here, but I think your equity against KK+,AK is > 30%).
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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yes, sir. As played, i just called and mp3 called with 97s also. He instantly called my flop shove on 9 high flop. Sb had AA but i just couldnt see a preflop fold in this spot given hefty money in the pot, seriously.
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If you think MP3 is such a donk that he may call if you call the 4bet from SB, then I would call. The pot will be around $223 (and you'll have about $40) and you can push any FLOP. Such a donk will be pressed to call a push with anything with those odds!

Note: if MP3 doesn't call, the pot will be $103 and you have to call $42 where you're getting near 2.45-1 and where you need around 29% equity. If you can add AK into SB's range making it KK+,AK, then I think you have enough pot odds to even call SB's push (I don't have pokerstove here, but I think your equity against KK+,AK is > 30%).
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Old 07-03-2008, 03:30 PM #6 (permalink)  
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id usually fold
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yeah i think i fold unless MP3 is guaranteed to call a shove and I can put AK in SBs range.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:12 AM #8 (permalink)  

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Folding QQ to aggression was one of the best things I ever learned. Fold pre.
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Old 07-04-2008, 03:41 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Jesus christ, you guys are fucking nitty like this . A few hours ago, I Just stacked a 75BB guy who shoved over my JJ 3 bet in a similar situation. he fucking turned over 43 offsuit. :P
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:15 AM #10 (permalink)  
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was the guy 0.7AF?

wait he prbly was theyre so bad he prly thought he had the best hand
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this nit folds cos I don't like QQ<KK/AA
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:09 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Old 07-07-2008, 06:27 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Ya, dude is 27/5.7/.7

Him raising out of the blinds is very strong already... I like the reraise, but it shows a TON of strength and he still wants to get it in. I think you can find a fold against THIS guy.
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