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Old 01-23-2008, 04:17 PM     Post subject: 100NL: QQ OOP on dangerous board #1 (permalink)  
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10 players
Seat 1: MP4 ($105.55 in chips)
Seat 2: CO ($104.40 in chips)
Seat 3: BU ($197.20 in chips)
Seat 4: SB ($101.00 in chips)
Seat 5: BB ($97.60 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG [ QH,QC ] ($103.95 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG+1 ($69.00 in chips)
Seat 8: MP1 ($96.70 in chips)
Seat 9: MP2 ($100.40 in chips)
Seat 10: MP3 ($97.00 in chips)
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 6 folds.

Flop: 5 K J ($9.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP1 calls.

Turn: 8 ($23.5, 2 players)
Hero ???

villain was 14/2/2 (only 50 hands), no specific reads.
I think the default play is to bet the turn, right? However, villain (if he's any good) will know that I don't have (often) the flush, so he can most of the time call and try to steal the pot on river if I check to him. We have the Q of clubs so we still have a chance of hitting the 4th club on river, no?
I suppose checking is bad, because villain can take away the pot
What do you do? bet and fold to raise?
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Old 01-23-2008, 05:19 PM #2 (permalink)  
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What hands would villain call you with on the flop that you beat? Not much. All you have is a potential higher flush draw, but it's quite likely villain has Ac/Kc. I often c/f in these spots, but it might be a leak.
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i c/c a small bet and fold to a big one.
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:47 AM #4 (permalink)  
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i c/c a small bet and fold to a big one.
This is what I did but I thought it was too weak and that I should have bet. I now see that my weak play was correct. Thanks guys!
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 I would entertain the notion of betting the turn. I'm a fan of 2-barreling when the turn brings a scare card. Especially vs tighties. And with a potential 11 outs, it's a reasonable semi-bluff IMO.

I would definitely shut down after that though...
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Old 01-24-2008, 01:56 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i would say its 50/50. either c/f or b/f turn. if he minbets, or something else stupid, i would call.

i think you have some showdown value, but you cant play into much aggression here.

i dont see you winning the hand, unless you take it. and, that considered, with all that villain could now have along with his position, makes c/f the smallest mistake possible w/o a read. you can pick up a more advantageous spot soon enough.
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