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Old 05-25-2009, 07:07 PM     Post subject: 100NL,overpairs vs some 70BB stack #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villain is 15/7/2 over 1k hands. I dont know why he only plays 70BB stack at my table. He looks like a regular.
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SB ($124.50)
BB ($68.85)
UTG ($105.10)
UTG+1 ($105.30)
MP1 ($326.35)
Hero (MP2) ($103.05)
CO ($101.45)
Button ($156.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K
3 folds, Hero bets $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12) 7, 3, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, 1 fold, BB raises $64.85 (All-In), Hero ?


hand 2: villain is 60/22/1.6 over 80 hands. A typical postflop passive donk raises this much on the flop. Is TT good enough to get in here vs his range?
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UTG ($121.40)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($89.30)
Hero (CO) ($122.05)
Button ($70.20)
SB ($136.55)
BB ($119.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 10
3 folds, Hero bets $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 2, 3, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, Button raises $20, Hero ?


hand 3: villain is unknown 39/4/0.7 over 30 hands.

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BB ($102.35)
UTG ($79.35)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($127.80)
MP2 ($112.60)
Hero (MP3) ($111.75)
CO ($113.30)
Button ($80.90)
SB ($99)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, A
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero bets $5, 4 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) 6, 7, 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.50, UTG raises $15, Hero ?
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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fold hand 1

call flop in the others
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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fold/shove/call
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:56 PM #4 (permalink)  
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badgers, id say shoving TT isnt good. why shove? its a fold before its a shove imo
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:12 AM #5 (permalink)  
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badgers, id say shoving TT isnt good. why shove? its a fold before its a shove imo
are we basically putting him on a set/JJ+?

I think he plays for stacks with A8 and 99 here as well
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 Fold
Shove
Call

I've seen too many retarded things when donks overbet the flop to do anything but shove.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:56 AM #7 (permalink)  
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badgers, id say shoving TT isnt good. why shove? its a fold before its a shove imo
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:26 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I think he's stacking off with some 8s, 99 and lots of draws. It's 70BB not a full stack.
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:39 AM #9 (permalink)  
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hmm 70bb i didnt see that oops. 50-60bb its easy. 70bb is a tough spot imo. Id disagree a passive donk will raise 8x or 99, passive donks will call with their draws IP too. So we should discount a fair amount of things we beat in his raising range.

id agree opp wont fold 8x or 99 IF he does raise them but i just think he wont raise them.

its tough 70bb since its kinda meh whatever stack off TP spot. I think its close to a fold>call>>>shove.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:51 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 felt all three, or at least raise them

1. villain isnt that good and on 3/4 stack and will try to improve his game by doing this with draws. he'll also donk a set from time to time

2. villain sucks and is on 3/4 stack and will fold a lot because he has absolutely nothing more often than you think. ive seen donkeys raise me like this a ton with air, but thats also when im on a 3/4 stack and extremely active

3. villain sucks so getting a big overpair in is almost always correct. calling would be fine if the board couldnt bring so many crappy cards and if villain wasnt a station who's gonna call your 3bet a lot when he does this with worse

moral of thread: dont put donkeys or undersized stacks on the nuts unless you know what you're doing. also 30-80 hand samples dont tell you enough about donkeys with weird stats to think they wont pull moves or overvalue hands, casual players also like to minraise bluff

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hand 1: I call the massive overbet shove. I think his range is balanced towards 88-QQ/draws more then sets, because of his raise size/line

hand 2: I dont know. Depends on how he got to 70bb I guess. If he was 35bb before and just doubled I would be more inclined to shove then if he was 100bb and got down to 70bb. Dont know if I should think about this though... I can see shove or call being good. I hardly ever fold here though and probably get it in anyway on turn.

hand 3: he could be drawing and trying to buy a free river if we call/check turn. If he has a strong hand he might want to get a bit more value on this wet flop. Call is ok, as long as we bet turn imo
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felt all three, or at least raise them
wow! Finally i found someone who'd felt all three like i did
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felt all three, or at least raise them

1. villain isnt that good and on 3/4 stack and will try to improve his game by doing this with draws. he'll also donk a set from time to time

2. villain sucks and is on 3/4 stack and will fold a lot because he has absolutely nothing more often than you think. ive seen donkeys raise me like this a ton with air, but thats also when im on a 3/4 stack and extremely active

3. villain sucks so getting a big overpair in is almost always correct. calling would be fine if the board couldnt bring so many crappy cards and if villain wasnt a station who's gonna call your 3bet a lot when he does this with worse

moral of thread: dont put donkeys or undersized stacks on the nuts unless you know what you're doing. also 30-80 hand samples dont tell you enough about donkeys with weird stats to think they wont pull moves or overvalue hands, casual players also like to minraise bluff

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felt all three, or at least raise them
wow! Finally i found someone who'd felt all three like i did
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felt all three, or at least raise them

1. villain isnt that good and on 3/4 stack and will try to improve his game by doing this with draws. he'll also donk a set from time to time

2. villain sucks and is on 3/4 stack and will fold a lot because he has absolutely nothing more often than you think. ive seen donkeys raise me like this a ton with air, but thats also when im on a 3/4 stack and extremely active

3. villain sucks so getting a big overpair in is almost always correct. calling would be fine if the board couldnt bring so many crappy cards and if villain wasnt a station who's gonna call your 3bet a lot when he does this with worse

moral of thread: dont put donkeys or undersized stacks on the nuts unless you know what you're doing. also 30-80 hand samples dont tell you enough about donkeys with weird stats to think they wont pull moves or overvalue hands, casual players also like to minraise bluff

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your post count is no longer 1337
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