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pokerfan
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11-03-2009, 03:55 AM
Post subject: 100NL, my squeeze went bad in some tough spot
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4-of-a-Kind
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initial raiser is a regular running 13/10/3( ATS% is 35% and fold to 3bet% is 75%), BT is unknown. I'm lost at what to do on the turn ? I just picks up some gunshot outs but it doesnt look like this villian wants to go away if i DB on this bad turn card.  PSB value & thin bluff shove or c/f here?
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($104.15)
UTG ($61.55)
UTG+1 ($96.60)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($5.65)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($40)
Button ($94.85)
Hero (SB) ($100)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 8
4 folds, MP3 bets $3, 1 fold, Button calls $3, Hero raises $13, 2 folds, Button calls $10
Flop: ($30) 8 , 2 , 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button calls $20
Turn: ($70) J (2 players)
Hero ?
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pokerfan
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BTW, i rarely play TPWK in 3 bet pots OOP this way.
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holdenthefuries
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Rough spot. Would be better if you had reads on what he's flatting and calling a raise with. What range are you putting him on here?
AJ? KQ? TT, JJ, 99... I think you can bet/fold this turn or check/fold depending on how often you think he's folding to a shove over the 3bet I'd be inclined to make on the jack in position or to a river draw completing. I'm probably giving up on this bluff if I'm called on the turn or raised... But if you aren't betting this turn, the entire play is bad I feel. Remember that even 55 has decent enough odds to stay in on that pot for one bet, so if you check you are leaving yourself open for a lot of counter-play that will really help his range. So Bet/Fold seems pretty good here even though it is a bad card. Then if you detect some sort of weakness or the river completes a lot of draws, you can continue. Maybe??
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Deanglow
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bet/folding the turn is not an option. Checking the flop is though
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
bet/folding the turn is not an option. Checking the flop is though
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if we check on the flop, how many streets you are willing to c/c vs an unknown player? BTW, I c/f when he bet $30 on the turn.His range is just too strong for me to continue with this hand. Maybe he sensed my weakness and bluffed me off the hand
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d0zer
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I don't really like preflop.
We have a great multi-way hand with a presumed donk in the BU who's gunna be calling enough to make this awkward. I'd rather just call pre and "play some poker", even OOP.
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settecba
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I don't really like preflop.
We have a great multi-way hand with a presumed donk in the BU who's gunna be calling enough to make this awkward. I'd rather just call pre and "play some poker", even OOP.
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I agree. Squeezing an unknown oop is probably not good with 89s. Also betting flop and c/f turn seems bad too from an ABCD theorem point of view
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I think preflop is marginal, calling and squeezing are both fine imo.
Flop, checking is an option, but I would probably bet $12-$14 like I would with my entire betting range. This leaves a bit of room to bet/fold scary turns, and maybe gets calls from worse..
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daven
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i like the squeeze given reads.
Flop check > cbet $15 > cbet $20.
Villain has an overpair way too often.
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