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Old 04-06-2008, 08:59 PM     Post subject: 100NL, my fancy play got backfired in couple of spots #1 (permalink)  
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i tried to mix up my play a lot recently but my opponents were just not scared at all

hand 1: villain is 12./9.43/6 over 400 hands with attention to steal% 23%. Is this a good play vs this guy regardless of his shove?

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UTG ($28.05)
UTG+1 ($67.30)
MP1 ($79.50)
MP2 ($45.25)
MP3 ($124.60)
CO ($50.90)
Button ($100.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7.
4 folds, MP3 raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, MP3 calls $10.

Flop: ($29) Q, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $22, MP3 raises to $110.6, Hero CRY..


hand 2: villain is 32/0/1.1 over 80 hands.

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SB ($131.45)
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MP1 ($83.15)
MP2 ($33.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $5, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($12.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($28.50) (2 players)
Hero ?


hand 3: villain is unknown. I planed to call IP and outplay him postflop.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds.

Flop: ($8.50) , , (2 players)
MP2 bets $4.5, Hero raises to $17, MP2 calls $12.50.

Turn: ($42.50) (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($42.50) (2 players)
MP2 bets $28, Hero ?


hand 4: villain is unknown without any reads.
What's your perfect CB sizing in this spot? Do you guys cb here every single time?

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MP1 ($98.35)
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MP3 ($50.10)
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Hero ($100)
UTG ($111.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 6 folds, Hero raises to $14, UTG+1 calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) T, 7, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+1 raises to $30, Hero ?
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:20 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 1. If you are going to do this, I bet slightly lower on flop and fold to any resistance. It's a good play if you do this with bigger hands as well.
2. Sucks. OOP is gay. I go for the b/f.
3. What are you trying to represent? Busted FD is the only thing I can think of so doing anything but folding this river seems like spew.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i agree with you that i spewed in hand 3 but his cb kinda smelt like weakness. i just posted hand 4, could you give any advice ? whats your cb sizing with AK in this spot?
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1. If you are going to do this, I bet slightly lower on flop and fold to any resistance. It's a good play if you do this with bigger hands as well.
2. Sucks. OOP is gay. I go for the b/f.
3. What are you trying to represent? Busted FD is the only thing I can think of so doing anything but folding this river seems like spew.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I think your bet size is alright. Any specific reads on villain? My default is to cbet this flop as well but I think any hands raising this have us beat pretty well. I b/f I guess.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:27 PM     Post subject: Re: 100NL, my fancy play got backfired in couple of spots #5 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: With such an aggressive post player I would not 3bet him with 87s from SB. You would be spewing chips most of the time as you're OOP. As played, I don't think villain always has a real hand here and he knows you don't have the Q. This is the problem is 3betting OOP this kind of villain.

Hand 2: I c/c a small bet on turn and c/f river. He might check it down to the river with his hand

Hand 3: Of course, you cannot call here, you've underepresented your hand. This could be JJ/QQ or even 77/88/99 or other crap depending on villain. A push might make him to fold a lot of hands, but without reads, its not advisable.
I would prefer to call flop and try to take it from villain if a T,J,Q,K or A comes on the turn.

Hand 4: Here I prefer to check behind, we have 3 really good outs (straight) and 10 good hands (for the Nut Flush). Plus this is a good flop for villain.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:37 PM     Post subject: Re: 100NL, my fancy play got backfired in couple of spots #6 (permalink)  
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hand 4: only backdoor flush possibility. Do you always check behind on this flop and fold to resistance? I was out of position in this hand, dude
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Hand 4: Here I prefer to check behind, we have 3 really good outs (straight) and 10 good hands (for the Nut Flush). Plus this is a good flop for villain.
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Old 04-07-2008, 05:17 PM #7 (permalink)  

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hand 1: I like it. Can't win them all.

hand 2: Well played so far. CO probably sucked out on you with his A-rag, and won't find a fold so I c/f here.

hand 3: I don't like the flop move against an unknown with no piece of the flop. Given the flop play, you probably picked up 5-outs on the turn so I would fire again, and fold to any additional aggression, which would get you out of the tough position you are in on the river. As played, call vs. fold on the river is pretty marginal vs. an unknown - they will show up w/ AK-AJ and busted flushes here plenty, but AA-JJ and AT are definitely in villain's range.

hand 4: I like to make it at least 20 here, maybe 25. A half-pot cbet will often get raised with air, and the min-raise puts you in a tough spot. As played I like a semi-bluff push here. You’ll fold out plenty of air here, your the favorite against a flush or straight draw, you have 8.5 outs against KK, AQ, KQ and AT, and 4.5 against AA,QQ,TT,77.
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Old 04-07-2008, 05:32 PM #8 (permalink)  
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hand 4: Do you still play the same way when in position? Dont you give any credit for his minraise when he opened UTG 1?
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hand 1: I like it. Can't win them all.
hand 2: Well played so far. CO probably sucked out on you with his A-rag, and won't find a fold so I c/f here.

hand 3: I don't like the flop move against an unknown with no piece of the flop. Given the flop play, you probably picked up 5-outs on the turn so I would fire again, and fold to any additional aggression, which would get you out of the tough position you are in on the river. As played, call vs. fold on the river is pretty marginal vs. an unknown - they will show up w/ AK-AJ and busted flushes here plenty, but AA-JJ and AT are definitely in villain's range.

hand 4: I like to make it at least 20 here, maybe 25. A half-pot cbet will often get raised with air, and the min-raise puts you in a tough spot. As played I like a semi-bluff push here. You’ll fold out plenty of air here, your the favorite against a flush or straight draw, you have 8.5 outs against KK, AQ, KQ and AT, and 4.5 against AA,QQ,TT,77.
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:04 PM #9 (permalink)  

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In position I would generally just call the minraise and see if I pick up my flush draw or if he will push the turn. This was a great flop for AK, w/ 2 overs, a gutshot, and a BDFD. I want to make sure villain is willing to put all his chips in the middle before I fold out here. That way, when I 3-bet him next time w/ AA or KK, I can expect to stack him if the hand plays out the same way because he will think he can push me off the hand. If he checks the turn and I picked up my flush draw, I push. Otherwise I would probably take my free card against an unknown, even though it feels weak. Once again though, if he had air here he will have to commit his stack on the river, so I am forcing him to play for stacks against me in 3-bet pots without having to commit mine.
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:53 AM     Post subject: Re: 100NL, my fancy play got backfired in couple of spots #10 (permalink)  
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hand 4: only backdoor flush possibility. Do you always check behind on this flop and fold to resistance? I was out of position in this hand, dude
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Hand 4: Here I prefer to check behind, we have 3 really good outs (straight) and 10 good hands (for the Nut Flush). Plus this is a good flop for villain.
Ops ... I missed that!
OOP I make it $20. 1/2 pot bet are often an easy call & float turn or raise to aggro villains.
If you insta-check villain might even check-behind fearing the check-raise from QQ+
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