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Old 09-25-2009, 02:53 AM     Post subject: 100NL, KK ran into shitty flop #1 (permalink)  
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villian is 15/11/4.7 over 200 hands. His 3 bet% is 6%. I snow played my big hand KK-AA in position vs high 3bet% players but cant really felt on an ace high flop. Do you guys fold on the flop or just play like i did in this hand?
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
1 fold, Hero bets $4, 4 folds, BB raises $11, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($24.50) 4, 4, A (2 players)
BB bets $17, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($58.50) 2 (2 players)
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Total pot: $58.50
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Old 09-25-2009, 03:02 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I 4b/get it in because he's probably still going to felt QQ/AK because he will level himself into thinking you're 4bing light because he's been actively 3bing

so what if he folds air, he still has his QQ+,AK range 2.6% of the time and it's really shitty when you flat and AK misses or when you flat and the flop is Axx and he's like going to barrel you with his bluff or check down his QQ instead of playing for stacks
also, your sample size sucks
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Old 09-25-2009, 03:09 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I 4b/get it in because he's probably still going to felt QQ/AK because he will level himself into thinking you're 4bing light because he's been actively 3bing

so what if he folds air, he still has his QQ+,AK range 2.6% of the time and it's really shitty when you flat and AK misses or when you flat and the flop is Axx and he's like going to barrel you with his bluff or check down his QQ instead of playing for stacks
also, your sample size sucks
i definitely 4 bet in CO & BT situations. In my experience, ppl tend to fold to 4 bet from early& mid positions in FR games.BTW, the guy looks like a FR regular even though i only logged in 200 hands in my database.
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:34 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I can tell he's a reg by his stats
but isn't your being in the MP less reason for him to 3b you light? as in he's going to have his value range more often than a bluff, esp since he's OOP
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Old 09-25-2009, 11:17 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 looks good now fold
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:57 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I don't even want to picture the size of balls required to size a turn bluff like that. Definitely fold. And I flat pre too... what OP said. I'd 4b all the time from CO and btn, but from MP you fold out too much imo.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:09 AM #7 (permalink)  
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looks good now fold
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 09-28-2009, 08:35 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't even want to picture the size of balls required to size a turn bluff like that.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 8
1 fold, MP bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $11, 1 fold, MP calls $8

Flop: ($23) Q, K, J (2 players)
Hero bets $11, MP calls $11

Turn: ($45) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, 1 fold

Total pot: $45 | Rake: $2.25

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 10
1 fold, MP bets $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $13, 1 fold, MP calls $9.50

Flop: ($27) Q, 9, J (2 players)
Hero bets $17, MP calls $17

Turn: ($61) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $32, 1 fold

Total pot: $61 | Rake: $3

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Flop: ($20.50) A, 9, K (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($48.50) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $24, 1 fold

Total pot: $48.50 | Rake: $2.40
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:41 PM #9 (permalink)  

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^^ only first one counts lol
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