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100NL: KK on low drawy flop vs SB limp/caller in 3-way

  
 
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:04 PM     Post subject: 100NL: KK on low drawy flop vs SB limp/caller in 3-way #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain 17/6 over 150 hands.

$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Holdem
8 players
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Stacks:
UTG 1ee7 ($112.75)
UTG+1 MiDra666 ($73.00)
MP1 CH4PSTER ($15.65)
MP2 KingBoromir ($100.10)
CO velvetmadman ($118.95)
BTN helga99 ($23.90)
SB Rugoom ($146.65)
BB Hero ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 8 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, MiDra666 calls $1, CH4PSTER calls $1, 2 folds, helga99 calls $1, Rugoom calls $0.50, Hero raises to $6, MiDra666 folds, CH4PSTER folds, helga99 calls $5, Rugoom calls $5

Flop: ($20, 3 players)
Rugoom checks, Hero bets $16, helga99 folds, Rugoom raises to $38, $22 to Hero ($78)?

Having some trouble with his limp/call range. I suppose SCs are in his range given he may have felt priced in by helga's call. Does villain do this with pair+draw? weaker overpairs?
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fold also pre needs to be bigger imo
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fold also pre needs to be bigger imo
Yeah my standard is 1 more...I musta accidentally hit my mousewheel so my AHK betpot decreased it by a BB.


I figured I'm up against 2pr+ or a combo draw so at best I'm basically a flip, but often beat pretty bad.

This assumes putting 88+ in his range is massively overoptimistic which I assume it is given how certain you guys seem... 55 is a possibility though.


Any holes in my thought process here
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i only shove over vs very aggressive players. Also, i dont think that ppl at this level will c/r with all SD value hands enough times for you to get money in good here.
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I guess I am a donk, he could not have a pair lower than KK or flush draw? I think I would have pushed.
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Old 01-09-2009, 06:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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if villain just has oesd or flush draw you're 2 to 1
if villain does this with pair + draw he's flipping against you
if villain does this with set / straight you're crushed

it would be good to know how aggressive this guy is, you gave no stats like AF or AFq
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 note that his over pair range is very narrow because he completed the SB.


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