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08-27-2006, 05:22 PM
Post subject: 100NL KK Laydown
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I used to have some problems with laying down AA and KK but I think I'm getting better at it. What about this one?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($431.65)
Hero ($102.05)
SB ($97.50)
BB ($202.98)
UTG ($98.15)
UTG+1 ($111.75)
MP1 ($100.22)
MP2 ($124.90)
MP3 ($117.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 4 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.
Flop: ($13.50) J, 3, 4 (3 players)
UTG bets $13, UTG+1 calls $13, Hero raises to $40, UTG calls $27, UTG+1 calls $94.75 (All-In), Hero folds, UTG calls $54.15 (All-In).
Turn: ($255.40) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($255.40) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: $255.40
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bair
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...why didnt you reraise preflop, and i probably call here
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freechus9
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Reraise preflop SON
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2_Thumbs_Up
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Originally Posted by bair
...why didnt you reraise preflop
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Because most people would put me on AA/KK and play accordingly.
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bair
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then loosen up your reraising range. if it was heads up i would have no problem with just calling, but with a raise and a call u almost have to reraise, and someone could put you on a squeeze or AK. and if i get put on AA/KK everytime i reraise preflop, then im pretty damn happy about that, probably the best image i could ever ask for.
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I'm always re-raising for isolation if there are more people in the pot or if there are some possible call-behinders. But on the button I think the deception can make up for it. But maybe I'm wrong.
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bair
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id much rather be deceptive with AA than KK
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2_Thumbs_Up
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I don't think I ever play them any different except on A high boards.
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08-27-2006, 06:21 PM
Post subject: Re: 100NL KK Laydown
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Flush
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Reraise preflop. You say you want to disguise your KK? First off it's 3-way (gah), secondly when you're playing for stacks (as you would like to do with KK) you want as much in there ASAP and thirdly, when playing for stacks like you hope to, it's often irrelevant how transparant your betting is -- preflop and flop it's more "how much do I like my cards" more than "what does my opp have and could it beat me".
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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If I'm on the button with KK in this situation I don't think I'm ever flat calling... esspecially with a raise/call.
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re-raise pre-flop. As already said open up you re-raising range i re-raise with 1010/JJ/QQ/KK/AA+AQ on occasion dont become readable. you gotta call here but with the pre-flop raise the decision is easier.
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Not so sure if this was a good lay-down, but it's just coz ur preflop play sucks ass on this one. You RE-RAISE KK.
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Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
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Originally Posted by bair
...why didnt you reraise preflop
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Because most people would put me on AA/KK and play accordingly. |
dumbest post ever.
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UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 4 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds
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Consider an UTG range. Now consider if UTG is folding if you reraise here.
In answer: we got plenty of money in preflop and ZOMG this is a great flop for QQ to go busto on. Its also one we can fold on if UTG has JJ.
Yet we have no clue if he has AA so we go busto vs that.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Everyone is way too harsh..... but right.
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bode
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reraise preflop. i dont think its a bad laydown as played. JJ is in UTG's raising range im sure.
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2_Thumbs_Up
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Ok. So preflop = bad.
But on the flop, doesn't anyone think that the UTG+1 line is scarier than UTG? What hands would he call the UTG with and then decide to push when I get aggressive too?
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