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Old 07-06-2009, 01:20 AM     Post subject: 100NL, KK on Ace flop in a 3 bet pot #1 (permalink)  
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two KK hands in one session. Should i really 4 bet vs these guys ?
hand 1: villian is a regular running 14/9/2.4 with 4% 3 bet.
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MP2 ($119.50)
Hero (CO) ($100)
Button ($114.80)
SB ($125.65)
BB ($102)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($109.35)
MP1 ($230.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero bets $6, 1 fold, SB raises $15, 3 folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($33) 3, 2, A (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero ?

hand 2: villian is a nitty regular running 8/64 with 4% 3 bet.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
2 folds, Hero bets $4, MP2 raises $12, 5 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($25.50) 2, 8, A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $13, Hero ?
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:30 AM #2 (permalink)  
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why are we slowplaying vs. people who will get it in with AK/QQ here pf and who don't 3b light
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why are we slowplaying vs. people who will get it in with AK/QQ here pf and who don't 3b light
FR nits often fold to 4 bet.
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 I think both are OK if you fold. Depends on how bad you think they are.

I don't mind the slow play preflop either. Most of the time we will hit a nice flop and win a big pot.


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even against nits ill 4bet KK OOP since i hate having hand #2 happen. IP i'll flat against the nittiest of nits though
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1st is ewww just 4bet as played you have to call one street since there aren't many combos of AK/AA and idk if he would bet them this big or if he would be Axs this big also. He can have air in his range cos this is probably a great spot to 3bet bluff especially if you are going to let him see a flop when you have the nuts.

2 i have no idea wat 8/64 means which makes it difficult. What do you run? Any history? If he is 8/6 this looks like a fold..
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:31 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 you should be getting it in fairly light in the first spot so 4bet pre.
2nd hand folding is just fine
 
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:42 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 4-bet pre.
hand 2 i like, and fold flop
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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 clearly your raise button is broken...

I dont get why you didnt auto 4bet both of these
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:08 PM #10 (permalink)  
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clearly your raise button is broken...

I dont get why you didnt auto 4bet both of these
Deception value vs preflop nits. I agree hand 1 is 4 bet preflop in these aggressive spots.
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