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Old 08-14-2009, 04:45 AM     Post subject: 100NL, JJ in a big pot 3 way on the river #1 (permalink)  
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MP1 is a regular running 15/11/4.3 (4% 3 bet). BB is loose fish running 40/19/2.6 over 50 hands. What to do on the river with PSB behind? c/f, b/c or just shove ?? I can value town against fish but the regular behind really worried me a lot..
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets $4, MP1 calls $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($16.50) 6, 3, 8 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, MP1 calls $11, 1 fold, BB calls $11

Turn: ($49.50) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, MP1 calls $24, BB calls $24

River: ($121.50) 10 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero ?
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 check... maybe mp1 checks behind, maybe he bets some small amount, maybe not, maybe bb C/R...


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Old 08-14-2009, 01:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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check... maybe mp1 checks behind, maybe he bets some small amount, maybe not, maybe bb C/R...
Do you check and go pot control mode on the turn?Is my turn bet sizing good ? As played, I checked,MP1 shoved,BB folded, hero was hard pressed to give up such a huge pot.
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:49 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Ugh it sucks I know...

A line in these spots that I've been practicing with recently is:
As played, check turn, call turn bet, check river, fold to river bet. It's the best way to pot control OOP while putting our villain to the test without committing ourselves to the pot.

I've got to have either a solid read or a very solid hand to be putting in 3 decent sized bets in after the flop. I prefer two, similar to the way you played it.


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my internet failed on me so my last post didn't show up but there's no way he's valuebetting worse and I doubt he's turning anything into a bluff with the donk in, he's got TT-QQ for sure here imo. Or maaaaaaaybe KK-AA.
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I don't think we can vbet the turn. Although we are far far ahead of the fishes range, MP1 can have QQ+ and all sets - I guess he occasionally shows up with stuff like 87dd but not enough to make a turn bet profitable.
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GTFO Nits, shove river.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:11 PM #9 (permalink)  
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that's retarded, mp1 will never fold a better hand (MAYBE QQ) or call with worse, and his betting range when checked to is the same as his calling range so just check. Also if you check the ranges MP1 is ahead of you like 70%+ of the time on the river.
Even if you knew that BB was gonna call your shove 100% of the time and he'd always have a worse hand, checking is still better than shoving.
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 MP1 has you beat almost always on the turn so c/f. I kind of want to bet turn shove riv to get him to fold QQ+ and the fish to call with 8x. But don't try
 
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What would this regular be calling with preflop and flop with? With yet another player behind? No draw is likely for him. And with decent hands like one-pair he is likely to have bet on flop (or preflop). He will not just wait around with a mediocre hand until donk hits something.
So I guess mostly sets.
When he calls the turn I would be very surprised if I have the best hand on the river.
I check and fold to a decent bet. I would have checked the turn also.
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