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Old 04-23-2008, 02:58 PM     Post subject: 100NL, i have no choice but to felt it #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villain is unknown. In this BvB situation, i guess my hand is nuts After his shove, I put his range on 99+,AQ+ where i was slightly behind and not that happy to get all money in This a No-brainer call given huge odds, right?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
7 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $32.5, BB raises to $100, Hero calls $61 (All-In).


hand 2: villain is a loose donk (58/10/2.75) over 175 hands. I just doubled up with AA a few hands ago and had TA image at this loose table.
hmmm, i planed to pay the man monies regardless of whether he got AA or not.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG raises to $4, 6 folds, Hero raises to $15, BB raises to $33, UTG folds, Hero calls $18.

Flop: ($70) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $44, Hero raises to $242
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Old 04-23-2008, 05:06 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: Nh! You cannot fold given the odds.
Hand 2: Why not min 4bet and let him shove TT-QQ
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Old 04-23-2008, 05:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 AKs blind v blind is the nuts
Hand 2 get it in preflop against the donk
 
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i just posted two miserable hands cuz I lost almost 90% of my winnings within less than 1 minute and ended up with $2 profit during this funny session. i wish i had the ability to spot AA everytime i had the chance to play big pots preflop.
So i have another serious question for you guys: " Do you really quit or still continue after winning 3 buy-ins during a long session?" Yeah,i quited it immediately after these two hands and felt soo sick.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:10 AM #5 (permalink)  
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i just posted two miserable hands cuz I lost almost 90% of my winnings within less than 1 minute and ended up with $2 profit during this funny session. i wish i had the ability to spot AA everytime i had the chance to play big pots preflop.
So i have another serious question for you guys: " Do you really quit or still continue after winning 3 buy-ins during a long session?" Yeah,i quited it immediately after these two hands and felt soo sick.
Actually, I can only play about 10 hours / week (about 3 hours three times per week), so even if I loose/win big initially I don't stop until my 3 hours are up (except if I loose 3 buy-ins with 5 mins ) I know it's not +EV and it's eating my winrate, but it's either this or play less ... so it's play this
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:21 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I know it's not +EV and it's eating my winrate, but it's either this or play less ... so it's play this
Ummmmm what does this even make sense? My flatmate keeps arguing with me that I should quit when I make the average amount I would normally be expected to win in a session. I try to explain to him that this makes NO SENSE AT ALL, because the more hands you play the more money you're expected to win it's as simple as that (provided that you're a winning player of course).

Quitting a session because you're up is dumb. You need to play more hands. You're just as likely to lose $200 in the session you are playing in as in the next session but if you have a positive expectation in the game you should keep playing. Can't really believe I'm posting this it should be self-explanitory.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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hand 1: i dont think this is an insta call if a call at all, the only hand that you have slaughtered are AX+ everything else is a coin flip. so give that he can do this with 99+ AJ+

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.474% 37.15% 07.32% 160312140 31594938.00 { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 55.526% 48.20% 07.32% 207998592 31594938.00 { AKs }

in all likelyhood that is probably a REALLY wide 4bet shove range from an unknown in all seriousnesss its probably
QQ+, AK

If you thinka bout it like this vs QQ+, AK
AK = chop
QQ = flip
AA = Lose
KK = Lose

so even though there is a substantial amount of money in the pot already a majority of the time you are getting it in when you are behind and if your not behind than its probably going to chop. so i think you can fold hand1.

hand2: played fine, maybe call flop, call shove/shove turn? give him the opportunity to hanghimself with a worse hand. becaues your both commited you mine aswell let him shove with AK instead of letting him fold it to your raise besides ALLIN on the turn he doesnt have enough to fold it anyways.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:23 AM #8 (permalink)  
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H1: You could just call his raise, I know your playing the rest oop but AKs hit the flop really well. In a BvB I don't mind the play, but I would like it more if you had some info that he was a usual raise/fold tag.

H2: Even tho he is a donk, be aware that his pfr only is 10. So his raise is more likely a reflection of that. I like either to stick it in pre or call post.

When I quit it's usually because I in some way got tired. Then we have the standard tilt feeling leave. Sometimes your going to wish you had left earlier, like when you see all the winning go away due to a cooler. But that's poker, lady luck will smack you in the face when she feels like it.
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I know it's not +EV and it's eating my winrate, but it's either this or play less ... so it's play this
Ummmmm what does this even make sense? My flatmate keeps arguing with me that I should quit when I make the average amount I would normally be expected to win in a session. I try to explain to him that this makes NO SENSE AT ALL, because the more hands you play the more money you're expected to win it's as simple as that (provided that you're a winning player of course).

Quitting a session because you're up is dumb. You need to play more hands. You're just as likely to lose $200 in the session you are playing in as in the next session but if you have a positive expectation in the game you should keep playing. Can't really believe I'm posting this it should be self-explanitory.
You are right about the winning! Actually, my arguments are more towards the loosing. However, some players might tilt hard (i.e. spew money all over the place) when they will too quickly and thus it's not +EV for them to continue.
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