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Micro2Macro
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01-26-2010, 07:25 PM
Post subject: 100nl - How's my line?
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Not sure if I really like it that much..
Villain is a random unknown, probably not very competent given his stack size.
I c/c the turn since I'm WA/WB and can get value from air by doing so. On the river I bet for thin value, though I think the type of hands I'm targeting (6x, 77,88,99) etc are more likely to call an $10 or something than what I bet. His range of 'air' on the turn though certainly improved a bit with this river. So what do you guys think? I didn't really consider c/c the river but I guess c/f may be okay...
Btw the cbet is usally $5 I have no idea why I made it $4 though sometimes Table Ninja effs up and makes my standard bet sizing off by 1bb.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($100)
Hero (MP1) ($104)
MP2 ($73)
MP3 ($111.20)
CO ($77.50)
Button ($100)
SB ($59.50)
BB ($100)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J , J
2 folds, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3, 5 folds
Flop: ($7.50) 10 , 6, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4
Turn: ($15.50) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $7, Hero calls $7
River: ($29.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $15
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sil693
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surely if hes unknown we have no reason to believe he's going to be betting this turn with air/weak made hands we beat when we check to him.
b/f turn seems the better option to me. it seems extremely unlikely we get raised by worse, and its kind of a good card if he has 6x/77/88/99 because if he is bad he just won't believe we have trip 10s and that'll be his reason for calling.
as played i cant work out why we're betting the river. if you c/c the turn because you think he's going to bet worse hands when you show weakness then does it not make sense to c/c the river too?
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Deanglow
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And you are representing a hand that can't be bluffraised how often?
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sil nailed this thread imo
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daven
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i don't like your line
see sil above
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by sil693
surely if hes unknown we have no reason to believe he's going to be betting this turn with air/weak made hands we beat when we check to him.
b/f turn seems the better option to me. it seems extremely unlikely we get raised by worse, and its kind of a good card if he has 6x/77/88/99 because if he is bad he just won't believe we have trip 10s and that'll be his reason for calling.
as played i cant work out why we're betting the river. if you c/c the turn because you think he's going to bet worse hands when you show weakness then does it not make sense to c/c the river too?
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this is a good point.
this river decision wouldn't even exist if I just b/f the turn.
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daven
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
this is a good point.
this river decision wouldn't even exist if I just b/f the turn.
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um, if you bet and he calls you have a decision. In fact, change the question. Assume bet-fold and you run into a call - what's your river play?
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There's a reason this turn is generally considered bad to fire two on...
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
this is a good point.
this river decision wouldn't even exist if I just b/f the turn.
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um, if you bet and he calls you have a decision. In fact, change the question. Assume bet-fold and you run into a call - what's your river play? |
no I mean this specific decision given how the turn played
that's also a tough spot but essentially the river is a brick for our opponent but also strengthens our perceived range..question is whether we can get a 3rd street of value from those hands that peel the turn. likely not, c/...f anyone?
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sil693
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Originally Posted by d0zer
There's a reason this turn is generally considered bad to fire two on...
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are you saying you prefer c/c? if so why?
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it's generally considered bad to fire 2 on as a bluff against an unknown, an not because there are lots of Ts in his range..
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Deanglow
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bet/fold turn most the time. check/fold turn against some
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it's generally considered bad to fire 2 on as a bluff against an unknown, an not because there are lots of Ts in his range..
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agreed. but we're not bluffing. and if bluffing here is bad because we get a lot of calls then by the same token value betting is good. maybe dozer wasnt talking about this exact situation or maybe I'm missing something.
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bet/fold turn most the time. check/fold turn against some
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exactly, we need to have a reason to believe he's gonna bet worse when checked to. as an unknown we dont know this.
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and if bluffing here is bad because we get a lot of calls then by the same token value betting is good.
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That's exactly what I was getting at
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by sil693
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Originally Posted by d0zer
There's a reason this turn is generally considered bad to fire two on...
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are you saying you prefer c/c? if so why? |
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it's generally considered bad to fire 2 on as a bluff against an unknown, an not because there are lots of Ts in his range..
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Yeah, I meant fire two with air, not in this specific spot. I was implying exactly wat you guys said up der^^^^
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Nice blocker bet on the river, I might shove back with air. I'd rather bet/fold the turn. If he's got a T or wants to rep it, he'll raise.
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