Originally Posted by joshuadzl

#9
I think #9 was played rather poorly personally. Honestly, I'm kinda floored to see *you* play it this way because I think your input on hand analysis and chatting with you on IRC I put you way above this play.

Preflop, I don't like the limp/call. Shitty position and you're welcoming a ton of limpers to outflop you. Oh well, it gets worse.

You nail the flop beautifully. So what do you do? You bet $20 on a $60 pot into a board that has a possible straight draws and flush draws? What the hell are you thinking? Are you hoping they hit a flush and you catch up with a boat?

Turn the flush, and a possible straight hit you bet $50 into $120, another weak bet and get pushed into. If you won this hand, outside of phenominal reads (which you fail to mention), I think you got incredibly lucky. No offense bro, you played this one pretty poorly. May be time to cut back the tables while you refocus.

Originally Posted by joshuadzl

Did you win the hand? Do you always slow play against draws? This is not a winning play, and you will lose money over time.

Originally Posted by joshuadzl

:rollseyes:

Thats because you don't play anything that isn't paired and doesn't spike. :P I can say I've seen many times two suited cards goto a flop like that, they play great 3 ways and can stack overpairs. I've seen all the scenarios at 100NL that you just described. And add AJ/AT to that list as well.

You can let people catch up for appropriate price if you want Miff, I personally am going to make them pay for it. That is at least, the way I like to play my game.

Originally Posted by joshuadzl

The action is preflop. How much have you played $100NL? A lot. You know as well as I do AK-AT is probably here, as well as pocket pairs. And yes, maybe I am giving credit where credit isn't due. However, with the stack size at what it is to the flop, I am more than willing to bank on being wrong and taking down the pot there than letting someone possibly catch up with a better hand.

I understand preflop the odds to what you're paying and getting. My point is that I don't rely on all these fish playing text book poker and if one of them did get fancy I'm going to make them pay to catch up.

I don't assume my opponents are always retarded unless I have tons of hands on them. I give them benefit of the doubt and I make them pay to catch up. I'm completely content with a $60 pot at $100NL. I'm willing to lose a bit of my total pot to ensure someone doesn't catch up.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

maximisation
id rather lose one or two pots to gross misreads and players making non-textbook plays than lose the maximisation i normally get on my hands and that renton demonstartes here.
Your point about sooted cards is valid, i wont dismiss that, although the math sucks a lot. However, donks are donks, but they are predicatble donks.
Your playing scared if you over push this flop.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Put each person in this hand on cards preflop.
Unless party is insanely different from other sites then these ranges are predicatble, utg 5bbs raise, cold call, 4x reraise to 20bbs, which is why i hate your line of pushing trips. Once you see these ranges i think the turn bringing the flush is inconsequential to our hand. If anything UTG may have had sooted big cards eg AQs/AKs but he folds and from the way this hand is played Renton therefore looks the most likely person to be holding scs or a pp and hence flopped set/flushdraw postflop. I admit to the possibility of our reraiser holding AKs but any two sooted cards doesnt fit the typical range for me here. Giving odds to chase is a mistake at most times but you have to generate that information from action and the information your giving me about a flush draw just doesnt seem to exist in this pot. Add to that the fact AKs may push over rentons flop bet with a decent amount of fold euity and outs to the best hand (not knowing of course renton has trip queens)

Originally Posted by joshuadzl

But there are technically two draws one out there, one unlikely, one very possible. Like I said earlier, at $100NL I can see someone calling AX-T suited NO problem.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

My mind boggles at how badly you can misread a single hand of poker. You have taken one look at the board and crapped yourself because you see coloured cards and have TOTALLY IGNORED anything anybody has said about preflop action and what the preflop action tells us. As you keep telling me this is 100nl not 25nl so yeah, show me a preflop hand range.

and why the heck do you need HHs to know how someone plays? Play what is in front of you. Its not exactly rocket science for anybody to put these 3 players to a range! You dont need PT here ffs