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08-12-2009, 07:53 AM Post subject: 100NL Hands

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Here's a few hands from my last session I wouldn't mind critiqued.

Villian was 58/25/2 over 100 hands here. I'm thinking standard, but I'm also wondering about (1) getting it in on the flop and (2) c/shoving turn (3) b/c, c/c, shove. Which line is superior?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG de captain ($20.00)
UTG+1 Hero ($233.00)
MP phos13 ($17.00)
CO monatos ($114.00)
BTN rmats229 ($50.00)
SB kw-armaturen ($24.00)
BB offtilt69 ($146.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 7 players) Hero is UTG+1

1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, monatos calls $4, 3 folds

Flop:

($9.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, monatos raises to $19, Hero calls $12

Turn:

($47.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, monatos bets $29, Hero calls $29

River:

($105.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, monatos goes all-in $62.95, Hero calls $62.95

[Results Hidden]

Villain was 38/12/1.3 over 41 hands. First thing is, I'm torn on whether we barrel turn or not. Against a fish we probably don't have much fold equity. However, picking up another 9 possible outs, and my Ace + gutshot being good against most of his range, I hate c/folding. And figure if check/calling is profitable, then bet/folding is moreso.

As played, is river a value shove or c/f?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($101.50)
UTG+1 blaidart14 ($71.00)
MP1 chuckybrown ($103.25)
MP2 G.W.F. ($53.05)
MP3 Bbickes ($105.05)
CO Barra Neil ($90.50)
BTN Dave Carlson ($101.50)
SB A.Pellon ($100.00)
BB muratfb ($154.90)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 9 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $4, blaidart14 calls $4, 7 folds

Flop:

($9.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, blaidart14 calls $6.50

Turn:

($22.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $15, blaidart14 calls $15

River:

($52.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $49.50, blaidart14 goes all-in $45.50

[Results Hidden]

Villian is 12/9 with a 6% squeeze. Looking back, I think this is probably a fold preflop, as he is squeezing an EP open. However, as played preflop, how do I proceed postflop?

Also, I feel like in this spot my range is very transparent, as I'm more than likely going to backraise AA/KK/AK, so my calling range is like JJ-QQ. Should I be mixing that up by maybe calling QQ/AA, and backraising KK/AK. What about just backraising my entire continuing range of QQ+, AK, since most people are squeezing QQ+, AK for value here, and therefore likely aren't folding to a backraise?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Nightmovs ($194.00)
UTG+1 spidey983 ($108.00)
MP1 ThuyKim ($164.00)
MP2 mufahula ($100.00)
MP3 Micha126 ($162.00)
CO Hero ($100.00)
BTN redacesfull ($101.00)
SB NYIsles_fcp ($100.00)
BB Jmact5 ($97.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 9 players) Hero is CO

1 fold, spidey983 raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, redacesfull raises to $16, 3 folds, Hero calls $12

Flop:

($37.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, redacesfull bets $27

Villain is 13/9/4.5 over 120 hands. I'm not certain which is most optimal here, a flop flat or raise/call? The other villain is something like 24/2. Which is why I feel that if I flat here, if I hit my flush/A/Q, I can still get some good value from him.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Marcin7878 ($100.00)
UTG+1 4aces4kings ($64.00)
MP1 Sixy ($132.00)
MP2 icancyrcrds ($103.50)
MP3 GetHighRM125 ($100.00)
CO Hero ($100.00)
BTN twithaces ($76.00)
SB Bbickes ($219.60)
BB bosto123 ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 9 players) Hero is CO

1 fold, 4aces4kings calls $1, 2 folds, GetHighRM125 raises to $5, Hero calls $5, 3 folds, 4aces4kings calls $4

Flop:

($16.50, 3 players)
4aces4kings checks, GetHighRM125 bets $12, $12 to Hero ($95)?

Villain is 29/16/3.4 over 170 hands. He has a flop c/r of 17% (12 times). Is river a check behind, or can we get value off of this guys AK/KQ that he might play in this manner?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG mufahula ($186.35)
UTG+1 dumbhand ($100.00)
MP1 ChipRick ($101.50)
MP2 Hero ($144.80)
CO john1226 ($20.00)
BTN e306 ($191.65)
SB ebnerfred111 ($17.60)
BB ggang82 ($101.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 8 players) Hero is MP2

3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, ggang82 calls $3

Flop:

($8.50, 2 players)
ggang82 checks, Hero bets $6, ggang82 raises to $12, Hero calls $6

Turn:

($32.50, 2 players)
ggang82 bets $22, Hero calls $22

River:

($76.50, 2 players)
ggang82 checks, Hero ($106.80)?

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BankItDrew

08-12-2009, 08:41 AM

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1 - looks good to me, i like the check shove on turn option

2 - everything completed and weaker doesn't call the river bet.. kind of sick that i like your cbet, like the turn bet, then when we improve our hand i want to bet fold.

3 - fold pre

4 - I flat most of the time here, partly because of donk in ep and partly because i think main villain is strong and probably won't fold to a shove. there is a lot of equity to be gained if we can make our hand.

5 - we are ahead on the flop according to your stats, how often does he fold to a 3bet after a c/r? the river decision as played is the 2nd easiest decision in this thread behind the JJ hand - bet! Not because we might get value from weaker hands but because he has a weaker hand.

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08-12-2009, 09:00 AM

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Hand 2 - He only has $45 here. You say bet/fold. Do you really think he's calling anything for a smaller bet that he isn't calling a shove with?

Hand 5 - I pretty much agree on the river. I feel I'm ahead very often. However, I'm not sure if I get called by worse. And if that's the case, what about the small % of the time he does this with a better hand (like KJ)? But on the other hand, I think maybe he could have AK and I can get value here.

BankItDrew

08-12-2009, 09:14 AM

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hand 2 - i'm never betting river

hand 5 - KJ bets river, no?

pokerfan

08-12-2009, 11:46 AM

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Are we really ahead in hand 1 vs a loose passive guy? I dont like your weak line against these guys.I kinda like B/F or CRAI on the turn.

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08-12-2009, 03:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfan

Are we really ahead in hand 1 vs a loose passive guy? I dont like your weak line against these guys.I kinda like B/F or CRAI on the turn.

I'm not great with stats, but I do believe having an AF of 2 while also playing 60% of hands means you are a bit on the aggressive side. I could be wrong though.

Either way, yeah I realize there are loads of 8x hands in his range. Practically all 8x hands. However, players this bad are also raising alot of worse made hands that I have drawing practically dead such as 99, TT, JJ, 77, 5x, 66, while also pulling hopeless bluffs with near 0% equity. Also, he will be raising some of his draws with at least some frequency. Plus these players seem to have no concept of the ability to give up, and I frequently see them just continue betting when it's obvious they are beat.

So yeah, I think I could very likely be ahead facing the flop raise and turn bet. By the time I get to the river, to have most draws miss, I feel I kinda have to call against such a bad player.

But yeah I agree, I think I like a turn c/shove, especially when this player will probably still stack off with most draws and worse made hands.

gametight

08-12-2009, 05:45 PM

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Hand 1- I like c/shove turn

Hand 2- Against a loose passive, I probly bet small like $8-$10. Hes rarely raising so Id set myself a decent price. I c/f river tho cuz theres no value imo.

Hand 3- fold to the squeeze

Hand 4- I like flat and keep the fish in

Hand 5- there is definitely value... half pot river

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