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Old 09-17-2007, 07:47 AM     Post subject: 100NL: flopped mid pair on 3bet pot, call river? #1 (permalink)  
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MP1 ($96.00 in chips)
Hero ($100.00 in chips)

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with J J
2 folds, MP1 raises to $2.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7.5, 3 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: 9 A 7 ($16.5, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $12, MP1 calls.

Turn: 8 ($40.5, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $25, MP1 calls.

River: T ($90.5, 2 players)
MP1 is all-in $51.5, Hero ???

I was knew to the table, so no reads
I put him on either a flush draw or KK/QQ. The only FD that kills me is QJs. What can villain put me on to push river? I represented AK all the way.
I tried to push his KK-QQ from the hand and I was planning to fold to a raise on both flop/turn.
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 bet the flop fold the turn if called.
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 chech behind turn, as played i think you have to call.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yes, I'd check the turn behind too. Looks very much like a busted flush draw, and I think QJss is a small enough part of his range to make this call.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:47 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I had basically this exact pot the other day - one card at the top end of a 4-card straight on the board. The difference was I raised the river, and called an all in push (and yes, he did have the nuts).

After this hand, Pelion was trying to persuade me that my raise on the river with the second nuts was a mistake. I argued otherwise - sets, split pots, idiot end straights, even overpairs and two pairs might call a raise with 3:1 odds (I had to call his river push since I was getting 5:1 or something).

In this instance, the one single hand that beats you is one which should be folding to your PFRR. This is the easiest call ever IMHO.
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Is this a serious question? Unless I can't read you have a str8 on the river, the flush draw missed and the board ain't paired. That's right I said "ain't".

I would beat him to the pot.

He's the one w/ AK or Axs.

The way it played he thought he was ahead the whole time and let you do the betting for you until the river. Then it looks like a harmless river and he jams.
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:26 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Yup, you guys are right, I should have checked behind on the turn.

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The way it played he thought he was ahead the whole time and let you do the betting for you until the river. Then it looks like a harmless river and he jams.
That's exactly what I thought!

Yup, I called the river (I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything). And biondino, like in your hand, villain showed the nuts
Had I checked the turn I might had gotten away from the hand if villain pushed river, or could I? I would have been getting 1.5-1 with the J high straight ...
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:10 PM #8 (permalink)  
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That sucks and I would never put him on that teh way the hand played. He filled in his gutshot and was completly disguised. Make a note on him to make him pay out the ass next time the board has some draws.
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