www.flopturnriver.com

Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

Already Registered? Username: Password: Remember Forgot Password
Tweet

100nl - cool story bro

LinkBack

Thread Tools

Display Modes

Micro2Macro

04-10-2010, 07:33 AM Post subject: 100nl - cool story bro

#1 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2009

Location: http://three-pair.com/

Posts: 4,465

this guy is 25/17 over 130 hands so far. he hasn't really been that aggressive.

bet flop %: 35% (7/20)
turn bet % 18% (2/11)
river bet % 13% (1/8)

I know this is a small sample but haven't really seen anyone include the above stats like this before when posting so I thought it might be cool to include them for the sake of discussion. I do believe that having something like 1,000 hands or more would be ideal for looking at this but that's all I have to work with. I think what I have so far will give a general indication of this players style (i.e. likely an inbalance in leading range, more likely to c/c medium strength hands (and draws?) as opposed to taking the initiative).

I'm predicting the general consensus among you will be to call. Tbh I feel like folding the turn *vs this particular player*. Call me results oriented but I swear this is a set like 80% of the time. If only I had millions of hands to filter out the exact spot to go about proving it. I mean seriously, at SSFR EVERYONE leads sets and barely anyone leads top pair because if they c/c they can pick off your cbet (I'm assuming that is their logic, not that I entirely agree..)

meh I've rambled on a bit what do you guys think? turn sizing is also interesting cuz im pretty sure most SSFR players are going to make their bet sizes smaller with weaker hands vs unknowns in this spot, again adding to severe lack of balance etc...

if this hh is retarded we can just talk about something else, like balance perhaps. Or tits.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($244.95)
BB ($110.45)
UTG ($120.15)
UTG+1 ($75.65)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($100)
Hero (MP3) ($100)
CO ($136.30)
Button ($103)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

4 folds, Hero bets $3, 2 folds, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9) 6

, 9

, Q

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $6, Hero calls $6, 1 fold

Turn: ($21) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero.

"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."

Check out my blog here!

"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"

http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!

caddie444

04-10-2010, 08:03 AM

#2 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2007

Location: constantly UTG

Posts: 723

caddie444 will become famous soon enough

Meh I personally just call down unless like he monkey shoves river and note him up. The fact that he fires turn again may mean he's trying to price out your flush draw since the 2 doesn't help your range at all and he may think you raise overpairs on the flop.

Don't complain; Just work harder - Randy Pausch (The Last Lecture)

Micro2Macro

04-10-2010, 08:09 AM

#3 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2009

Location: http://three-pair.com/

Posts: 4,465

Yeah my plan was to call and shove the Kc river

, and fold to further action.

mrhappy333

04-10-2010, 11:00 AM

#4 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Jan 2006

Location: Hartford, CT

Posts: 1,078

Why wouldn't you raise the Flop?

3 3 3 I'm only half evil.

FlyingSaucy

04-10-2010, 02:46 PM

#5 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Oct 2004

Location: Watching the kids

Posts: 1,603

The reasons I can think of to raise flop are for value and fd
protection. Probably not folding a strong Q, however thrs not a huge part of his range so you risk folding out his worse hands. I lean toward small raise but could see calling the flop as the best strat then raising on a later street if nothing hits in his range.

pokerfan

04-10-2010, 03:09 PM

#6 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jun 2007

Location: NS, Canada

Posts: 1,736

I don't mind being a total passive station here

rpm

04-10-2010, 06:04 PM

#7 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jul 2009

Location: maaaaaaaaaaate

Posts: 2,049

doesnt donking the flop and leading the turn appear ridiculously strong to anyone else? i cant see him having AQ or a flush draw.

caddie444

04-15-2010, 06:58 AM

#8 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2007

Location: constantly UTG

Posts: 723

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpm

doesnt donking the flop and leading the turn appear ridiculously strong to anyone else? i cant see him having AQ or a flush draw.

I've seen play Q8 like this

Don't complain; Just work harder - Randy Pausch (The Last Lecture)

caddie444

04-15-2010, 07:48 AM

#9 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2007

Location: constantly UTG

Posts: 723

Quote:

Originally Posted by caddie444

I've seen play Q8 like this

wow its late

Don't complain; Just work harder - Randy Pausch (The Last Lecture)

Poker Guru

04-26-2010, 10:25 AM

#10 (permalink)

Two Pair

Join Date: Apr 2010

Posts: 37

Just call the turn and reevaluate the river. But usually I just call river too.

Numbr2intheWorld

04-26-2010, 06:14 PM

#11 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Aug 2006

Posts: 3,561

Numbr2intheWorld will become famous soon enough

id call turn. i fold to a big bet on the river.

Check out my blog http://suited-aces.com

Deanglow

04-27-2010, 01:29 AM

#12 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Feb 2007

Location: lol

Posts: 2,443

Call turn and don't fold on good rivers

daven

04-27-2010, 01:54 AM

#13 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Location: soaking up ethanol, moving on up

Posts: 5,813

call.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

if this hh is retarded we can just talk about something else, like balance perhaps. Or tits.

with respect to tits, i like balance. And playing a wide range when appropriate (i.e. when i'm single)

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/

badgers

04-27-2010, 11:24 PM

#14 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007

Location: Spewing

Posts: 3,372

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Call turn and don't fold on good rivers

3k post - Return of the blog!

Renton

04-29-2010, 10:22 AM

#15 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Jan 2006

Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

Posts: 5,991

I would call and call on any river, even flush completing or jt completing rivers. I guess I'd fold on the 8 of diamonds.

I would also raise the flop for sure. He has a decent queen a lot. He's not a tag, so u can't give him a sets/draw type range, and besides, there are only 2 sets he can have from preflop.

paratrooper99

04-30-2010, 04:42 PM

#16 (permalink)

Straight

Join Date: Apr 2010

Posts: 135

paratrooper99 is on a distinguished road

does anyone think that an open of 4 bb standard would help this situation. Its only a dollar but with the sb out there, it makes things a little more pricey over time. Then the donk lead would need to be much larger. Maybe it is all relative but I dont like the 3xbb lead. What do you think

rpm

05-01-2010, 07:44 AM

#17 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jul 2009

Location: maaaaaaaaaaate

Posts: 2,049

i am guessing m2m made it 3bb because he is going to be stealing with a very wide range of hands in the CO, so 3bb is a lower price to pay than 4 when he encounters resistance. if he changed his betsizing to 4bb only when he had a strong hand, players would notice. if he made his uniform size 4bb, he's more vulnerable because his range is weak. thats one reason not to make it 4bb, m2m's might be entirely different.

phil8493

05-02-2010, 06:14 AM

#18 (permalink)

BANNED

Join Date: Apr 2010

Posts: 18

I think raising the flop would help considerably. There are so many draws I'd like to tax more. What about raising turn to get some information + tax the draws -- I guess the logic against is his low turn bet %. In any event, I'd be staying w/ the hand unless 8d or Ad comes or something else weird happens.

Micro2Macro

05-02-2010, 08:46 PM

#19 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2009

Location: http://three-pair.com/

Posts: 4,465

open raise sizing preflop is a style thing, there's going to be pro's and con's to raising bigger or smaller and it will just depend on your range and the type of games you are in.

Latest Poker News
KoRnholio	05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ... more at Poker Blogs »

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules

All times are GMT. The time now is 02:26 PM.

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum

This is not a gambling website.

Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

Poker Forum

Full Ring NL Hold'em

100nl - cool story bro

Play for FREE and practice your game at...