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Old 09-11-2009, 06:09 AM     Post subject: 100NL,can i vbet on this river? #1 (permalink)  
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opp is probably unknown(20/12/0 over 34 hands). Only one PSB left on the river. Is it too thin to bet anything on this river given that his range includes TT-QQ and lots of two pairs. However, we are up against an unknown and might lose some value if he checks back with worse hands.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
Hero bets $4, MP1 calls $4, MP2 calls $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($17) 2, 9, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, MP1 calls $12, 2 folds

Turn: ($41) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $25.50, MP1 calls $25.50

River: ($92) 10 (2 players)
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd gaybet this river for about 25 again. I don't think you're getting called a lot for more... with those stats he's very unlikely to turn a middle pair into a bluff... but it will be really hard for him to fold getting 5:1, and with a little bit of luck it will tilt the shit out of him.
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Old 09-11-2009, 04:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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his range is lots of two pairs? I would actually assume he has more QJ/QK/AQ and only two pair combo that I can see a reasonable player having is like T9
QT is kind of a stretch pre
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 i dont see what type of hand that isnt 'made' ie PP or set that calls the flop and then the turn is calling the river behind. Therefore check river.
I dont actually see what a turn bet achieves considering the turn board.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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his range is lots of two pairs? I would actually assume he has more QJ/QK/AQ and only two pair combo that I can see a reasonable player having is like T9
QT is kind of a stretch pre
he rarely called with these overs on this flop in 4 way pot.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:22 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i dont see what type of hand that isnt 'made' ie PP or set that calls the flop and then the turn is calling the river behind. Therefore check river.
I dont actually see what a turn bet achieves considering the turn board.
so what's your plan on the turn? c/f, c/c smallish bet or c/r ? I'm assuming that you are gonna vbet on the river if its checked through on the turn.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:39 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I could see a c/c on the turn... but I think relatively few people float, and you'll get checked back a lot, and give free draws and blah. - I'd rather bet turn and check river behind if I was worried about getting 3 streets of value.

And what do you do when you check and he bets? raise and overrep your hand? call, lead river and overrep your hand???, call and c/c river?
I'd be completely lost.
I'd rather gaybet turn and super-gay bet river and get some value.
Would you ever consider 3 barrel bluffing for 1/4 the pot? No, because it just doesn't work.
I'd just try and milk him as good as possible.

I know the stats don't say much, but so far he has a big vpip/pfr gap and now he's calling an utg raise from mp... I think it's pretty likely that he's a loose passive monkey.




NOBODY EVER BLUFF RAISES THE RIVER AT 100NL
Vbet the shit out of these idiots.
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Old 09-14-2009, 03:19 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Villain hand range looks pretty strong on the turn after flatting in a 4 way pot.

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c/f turn seems gay.c/c smallish bet on turn accomplishes nothing unless we hit our set.Opp has got to know what range we have on the turn if we c/c smallish bet and check the river-we are valuetowning ourselves in a similar way.

Ill vbet safely if the turn goes c/c but most probably fold to a raise.
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 You guys have this unhealthy infatuation with gay betting when there is like a halfpot bet on the river. Stop getting tricky just shove, an unkown calls with tons.
 
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Old 09-15-2009, 04:44 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Stop getting tricky just shove, an unkown calls with tons.
this is exactly my play in this hand. Slightly overaggressive though on the river imo.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:12 PM #12 (permalink)  
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when the q is a heart and the 10 is a heart I can see a reason for the "gay" bet. In this case... shove
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Old 09-21-2009, 05:01 PM #13 (permalink)  
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sometimes your line means that shoving river is the only thing to do. Unless you approve of this kind of weak tight bullshit.
And you shouldn't.... vs unknown
flop bet should be bigger
turn bet should be bigger
wtf at river sizing.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) J, 3, A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold

Turn: ($27.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $17, Button calls $17

River: ($61.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $11,
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Old 09-21-2009, 07:41 PM #14 (permalink)  
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sometimes your line means that shoving river is the only thing to do. Unless you approve of this kind of weak tight bullshit.
And you shouldn't.... vs unknown
flop bet should be bigger
turn bet should be bigger
wtf at river sizing.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) J, 3, A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold

Turn: ($27.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $17, Button calls $17

River: ($61.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $11,
i like your tiny gaybet :P
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