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Old 07-15-2008, 07:19 PM     Post subject: 100NL, big pots i played and got pissed off, any advice? #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villain is 61/20/1.8 over 110 hands. what the hell is going on here?
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MP1 ($97.50)
MP2 ($56)
CO ($207.55)
Button ($121.15)
SB ($36)
Hero ($99.20)
UTG ($140.25)
UTG+1 ($59.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
UTG raises to $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, UTG folds, CO raises to $25, Hero calls $13.

Flop: ($52.50) 9, 5, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $182.55 (All-In), Hero ?

hand 2: villain is 49/7/0.7 over 700 hands
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Hero ($98.50)
Button ($108.60)
SB ($84.50)
BB ($95.80)
UTG ($111.85)
MP1 ($127.20)
MP2 ($181.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, 3.
2 folds, MP2 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 4, T, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $2, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 9 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $15, MP2 calls $15.

River: ($50) 7 (2 players)
MP2 bets $81, Hero ?

hand 3: villain is 47/3/0.6 over 300 hands and limped in a lot. Should i get in on this flop with TOP two?
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Hero ($121.20)
UTG ($109.75)
UTG+1 ($219.80)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($124.20)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($99)
Button ($18.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 9.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 6 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.50) J, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $16, UTG+1 raises to $28, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($58.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $25, Hero ?

hand 4: only 103 hands, villain was 22/7/1.2 unknown and looked like a semi-tight guy. Do you guys stack off or fold to his aggression?
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BB ($138.80)
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MP1 ($113.10)
Hero ($100)
CO ($127.35)
Button ($314.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K.
1 fold, MP1 raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 4 folds, MP1 calls $10.

Flop: ($29.50) 4, Q, 8 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $21, MP1 raises to $99.1, Hero ?
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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jesus these are nasty.

1) Is probs a fold but I call because fuck you that's why.
2) See hand 1
3) Shovage on flop
4) See hand 1
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:36 PM #3 (permalink)  
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These hands make me want to hurt puppies.

...except hand 1. It's a really easy call and I'm not even sure I see a flop.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:48 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 get it in preflop
Hand 2 fold
Hand 3 lead the flop and probably don't fold
Hand 4 call and be happy
 
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:08 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I dunno I've seen the overlimp/ backraise w/ AA too much recently to be delighted about the situation but I guess it is a straightforward shove pre. Me being results oriented.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:14 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight? When you play deep stacked maniacs, these are the results; you take your pepto and roll with them. 1,2 and 4 I am all in, 3 I probably fold given his limp and AF.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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yeah, i've seen some donks play this way with QQ+, AK or some weird stuff. Its just a little bit scary to play my whole stack preflop considering that i just sit there for less than two orbits. i surely planned to get my stack in on any flop without either Ace or King after calling his min 4 bet.
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I dunno I've seen the overlimp/ backraise w/ AA too much recently to be delighted about the situation but I guess it is a straightforward shove pre. Me being results oriented.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
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are you guys pretty sure that we should call his huge over bet on the river in hand 2?? His AF is 0.7 over 700 hands.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:02 PM #9 (permalink)  
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call hand 1

rest are folds.

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You mean the revolver, sir?
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no i think it's a fold.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:26 PM #11 (permalink)  
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no i think it's a fold.
I felted JJ in the same spot this morning, we were over 150bb deep too.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:04 PM #12 (permalink)  
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no i think it's a fold.
I think this is as much AK/JJ as it is AA looking to just get an overpair to stack.

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Old 07-16-2008, 12:17 AM #13 (permalink)  
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these fucking hands all happened on double FPP days when i just hit my longest 12 buy-ins downswing

hand 1: paid. Donk got my stack with KK and never came back

hand 2: paid. i dont have the habit to fold me set but i surely made wrong decision this time. He proudly showed me 45o, no flush.

hand 3: i knew this passive donk started being very serious now , so i folded on the turn

hand 4: paid. KK <<< QQ , fucking bad run
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:47 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i was talkng about hand 2 when i said that sorry i should have clarified.

i also hate folding to backraises and can understand felting JJ in a similar spot
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:40 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 I don't hate how you played any of these hands really. Only dislike the flop c/raise in hand 3. Calling the river in hand 2 is probably optimal looking over the hand again.
 
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:05 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Actually i was way too busy multitabling to lead out in hand 2. After he raised me back instantly, i had the feeling that such AF 0.6 donk got me crushed already and i just couldnt fold to his min 3bet on such drawy flop though. On the turn, there's nothing i can do but c/f to his deeper aggression in this small pot.
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I don't hate how you played any of these hands really. Only dislike the flop c/raise in hand 3. Calling the river in hand 2 is probably optimal looking over the hand again.
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:24 AM #17 (permalink)  
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there are many times i also felt it with JJ+ or AK 100BB deep preflop vs obvious manaics. The reason i didnt shove over his min 4 bet preflop is i just sit there for a while and wasnt really sure whether this guy was a total uber agressive moron or just a standard preflop LAG donk.
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no i think it's a fold.
I felted JJ in the same spot this morning, we were over 150bb deep too.
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:30 AM #18 (permalink)  
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:06 PM #19 (permalink)  
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hand 1: I fold and cry in the corner
hand 2: I call and cry in the corner and hope for two pair or some shi
hand 3: I'm pushing this, I even have outs against 88
hand 4: I'm beat so I fold

after reading the thread I can see why people want to push PF on hand 1
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