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Old 04-05-2010, 03:12 AM     Post subject: 100nl - asdfghkl #1 (permalink)  
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 villain is a random

flop seems fairly standard

turn...confuses the f out of me not really sure if I should raise but I see no other option.

would timing be relevant here? I'm curious if anyone is going to come up with a reason not to raise here...so I guess the Q is, sizing??

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Old 04-05-2010, 03:23 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 confuses the f out of me too. although he seems bad and may not be folding too much of the range he donk/calls the flop and donks the turn with. i honestly have no idea what kind of a range to put this guy on. something like K9+, JT+, TQ, 22 as a wild guess.
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 If he's unknown I just fold flop until I get a better idea of what he donks with. Seems to me like he's a fish who's not folding TP. Whenever I raise here I get pwned.


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If he's unknown I just fold flop until I get a better idea of what he donks with. Seems to me like he's a fish who's not folding TP. Whenever I raise here I get pwned.
I also fold flop. It's like 1/2 pot.

Call me a nit, but I think we need more equity to make this play
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flop is pretty standard, most donkers will just bet fold there. Turn lol, he has a 2 or a weak J or like a gutshot or OESD pretty much always imo, I might call just to try and bink an A or to see a blank and call a gay 3$ river bet if draws also miss.
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once he calls flop, esp when he shows some interesto n the turn i give up.

i like the flop raise tho
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I like the flop raise but I don't think you can profitably raise the turn here. This is the sort of play I often make when I'm starting to get frustatrated and it rarely ends well. I just can't see him folding enough. I think he folds a lot of weak made hands on the flop, if he's got a nut hand or a K doing some sort of hilarious trap then he would still play it exactly like this. He occasionally will have QT/T9 so I think you pretty much have to call/re-eval river.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:27 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 lol @ anyone not wanting to raise the flop here. I can understand not wanting to raise total air but we have an overcard which is certainly a clean out the vast majority of the time we're called and a backdoor flush draw.

So then I raised turn because it put me on extreme monkey tilt (lesson in here folks) but I agree that just calling is all I can do given the price and lack of fold equity because at this point, he actually has a hand and it's not like he's going to fold it.
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 Half a year ago I wouldn't have raised the flop, because against a random half pot donk you usually had to fire the turn again if you had any fold equity at all. More recently I've noticed that less people are mindonking and are gaydonking instead, so I treat the gaydonks like a mindonk, and I raise this every time. - would only consider folding if there were zero backdoor draws.
When he donks the turn again, I think his range is very weak, but you can't get him to fold. I peel and hope to either show down against TQ or stupid, or hit my 3 outer. I wouldn't raise a Tc turn either.

I wouldn't say I'm confused by that line. It's Kx or Jx almost certainly, sometimes QT, AQ, AT. If he checks the river I'm tempted to gaybet to fold out AQ, AT. But I'd most likely just check back.
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:42 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I think the flop raise is bad.
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 call and if he bets the same amount on the river just raise pot, he has Jx or QT/random gutter here a ton.
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