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Old 05-05-2008, 06:35 PM     Post subject: 100NL, any thoughts in these two 3 bet hands #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villain is 30/10/3 over 40 hands. Any comments on my play in every street?
Whats your play on the turn?

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UTG ($101.50)
MP1 ($97)
Hero ($92)
CO ($74.05)
Button ($157)
SB ($18.90)
BB ($122.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , .
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $23, Button calls $16.

Flop: ($47.50) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $15, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($77.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $22, Hero ?

hand 2: villain is 26/8.3/2.57 over 108 hands. Did he shove with made hand?
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Button ($98.10)
SB ($95.20)
BB ($112.75)
UTG ($105)
UTG+1 ($111)
MP1 ($46.35)
hero ($133.75)
CO ($40.90)

Preflop: Hero is mp2 with A, K.
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 4 folds, UTG calls $11.

Flop: ($29.50) Q, T, 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20, UTG raises to $91, Hero?
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand1: I would've made it like $30 on the flop, folding to a reraise. If the $30 is called, I prlly check/fold turn. As played, a $15 bet on the flop seems weak and a check/call of $15 is even weaker. Ur better of B/F than C/C.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1: any reasonable bet on flop would commit me to the pot in this ugly situation. Do you really want to play this way? My plan was c/f to his large bet and only call his smaller stuff. On the turn, i did pick up lots of outs, not quite sure about how to proceed.

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Hand1: I would've made it like $30 on the flop, folding to a reraise. If the $30 is called, I prlly check/fold turn. As played, a $15 bet on the flop seems weak and a check/call of $15 is even weaker. Ur better of B/F than C/C.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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it'd be appreciated if i hear any other thoughts on these two hands , thanks
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 1. Id call pre, unless ive a solid read this is just AQ/JJ/TT type hands. Ive tried putting people who min3bet onb a range and it seems its always AA (never AK) so thats why i play it that way.
Sure its weak tight, but is opp ever going to push worse? Doubt it

2. unsure. I think this flop hit opponents range harder than ours and even if we check behind on the flop we can get away with calling a pot sized turn bet. However i hate the passive line so i guess standard is bet/call a shove and gamble with11 odd outs.
I just dont like that line because everytime someone calls in these games in a 3bet pot, they dont ever fold any later street
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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In hand 1, as long as he doesn't hold the Ac/Kc, You have almost enough equity in the pot to just go all-in even if you know he has you beat and will call 100%. If there's any chance you're ahead or that he's bluffing, then it's an easy shove.
There is a decent chance that he's got the Kc or Ac (or both, or Ax/Ac), so a fold isn't terrible. I think in the long run both plays will come close to breakeven, so flip a coin. You could even flat call the turn and make your choice on the river, all the options are close.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:38 AM #7 (permalink)  
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you are right he min 3 bet and flat called my 4 bet with :Kh: :Kd:.
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1. Id call pre, unless ive a solid read this is just AQ/JJ/TT type hands. Ive tried putting people who min3bet onb a range and it seems its always AA (never AK) so thats why i play it that way.
Sure its weak tight, but is opp ever going to push worse? Doubt it
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:40 AM #8 (permalink)  
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i did flat call the turn , shoved on the river when another club fell on the table and got paid off However, its just based on the chance that he didnt have any clubs in hand and i wanted to gamble anyways. i just felt like a loose donk when i made such retarded play.
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In hand 1, as long as he doesn't hold the Ac/Kc, You have almost enough equity in the pot to just go all-in even if you know he has you beat and will call 100%. If there's any chance you're ahead or that he's bluffing, then it's an easy shove.
There is a decent chance that he's got the Kc or Ac (or both, or Ax/Ac), so a fold isn't terrible. I think in the long run both plays will come close to breakeven, so flip a coin. You could even flat call the turn and make your choice on the river, all the options are close.
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:59 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - and i hate to say it but i cud just flat call the 3 bet preflop if ive no reads. flop and turn line is fine unless you called turn

Hand 2 - ''im allin''
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