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Old 11-17-2009, 05:33 PM     Post subject: 100NL, Any advice in this spot(bet sizing& line options) #1 (permalink)  
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villian is 18/14/1 over just 70 hands. ATS% is 33%. B/F,C/F or C/C ? Any bet sizing advice in 3 streets would be appreciated. BTW,I'm always scared to get some value on these shitty boards. Is a river shove another viable option? It looks like the best line on the river is C/F???
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Is turn bet standard? How much value are we getting? Worse hands calling are AcKc that floated flop, and maybe some TT. Is there any history of you 3betting light? I mean, could he have T8s and QTs?
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Is turn bet standard? How much value are we getting? Worse hands calling are AcKc that floated flop, and maybe some TT. Is there any history of you 3betting light? I mean, could he have T8s and QTs?
no history at all. The guy is unknown and might call my 3 bet preflop and float my cbet with a wide range. Turn bet is ok vs poor players IMO.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:34 AM #4 (permalink)  
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As played, get it in, you're both pot committed, the only things not betting are the ones you're beating.
I don't like the bet sizing. You're oop so your three bet should cost him more. At least have him calling 9-12 big blinds. On three bet boards it's good to merge your ranges with patterns that are logical of an all-in by the river and have fold equity on every street so your play is opaque. This is a board where most of his range is ABC range is call/bet x3; I wouldn't bluff this board on the turn, so I wouldn't bet it either.

About 55% of pot on the flop I prefer to merge ranges and induce. Then about 1/3 on the turn(sets up a meaningful/understandable river shove and is SUPER efficient bluffing price). This applies great pressure to your opponent and you give him the chance to make mistakes. Also, you don't always have to pull the trigger on the river, BUUUT I'm pretty much never folding an overpair in a 3bet pot. Otherwise wtf would I be 3betting it?
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Ben, what a fresh air on your mind!! I really like your deep thinking process about bet sizing! River shove looks good vs these semi-loose players and balances our air bluffing range very well.
BTW, He had amazing Ks9s.
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