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Old 04-02-2008, 10:05 PM     Post subject: 100NL, another QQ vs ep 3 bettor in bad position #1 (permalink)  
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3 bettor here is 32/1.82/3(kinda preflop loose passive stats) over 50 hands and another villain is unknown. In this hand, both my relative and absolute position are pretty bad. What's your plan preflop and postflop?
By the way, i didnt stack off in previous QQ hand vs that nit.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero ?
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i call and hope utg calls too, shutdown with anything less than a set on flop

UTG raiser's range is probably AQ+, JJ+ (maybe TT+) and 3bettor with his stats is likely AK, KK+ (maybe QQ+)

Maybe I'm giving too much credit to utg, but I don't have stats on him.

I hope I'm not way off on my ranges this time.
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Call, c/f almost all flops except sets obv, b/f turn if you're still in the pot and no A or K has come yet.
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:23 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i call and hope utg calls too, shutdown with anything less than a set on flop

UTG raiser's range is probably AQ+, JJ+ (maybe TT+) and 3bettor with his stats is likely AK, KK+ (maybe QQ+)

Maybe I'm giving too much credit to utg, but I don't have stats on him.

I hope I'm not way off on my ranges this time.
I would put 88+/AQ in UTGs range as an unknown. 3bettor I think with those stats it's pretty obv he has AK, KK+
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:32 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I fold and never tell a soul.
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I fold and never tell a soul.
considering our initial threat is the fish, how bad is putting another bet in the pot?
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:20 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i really wanted to fold but i still tried My problem.
look this nasty flop vs this half stack.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero calls $6, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($21.50) 6, 6, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $21, Hero ?
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:31 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i really wanted to fold but i still tried My problem.
look this nasty flop vs this half stack.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero calls $6, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($21.50) 6, 6, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $21, Hero ?
Are you still in doubt here?
FWIW, PF I would also call this min 3bet OOP from BB, but insta-folded on flop.
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Old 04-03-2008, 03:16 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i was just set hunting in this hand considering that UTG1 might call with full stack. :P folding preflop is just way too weak. As Fnord said, i fold and never tell a soul ON THE FLOP.
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Are you still in doubt here?
FWIW, PF I would also call this min 3bet OOP from BB, but insta-folded on flop.
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:02 PM #10 (permalink)  
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you don't have odds to set hunt vs. shorty and it makes no sense to call if you are folding on that flop. this is a fold or a shove preflop but definitely not a call.
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:19 PM #11 (permalink)  
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UTG1(fullstack) definitely call minraise preflop. In my opinion, flat call is better than a fold or shove if we decide to set hunt and fold any non-Q flop.
$7 minraise means nothing to me if another fullstack got in.
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you don't have odds to set hunt vs. shorty and it makes no sense to call if you are folding on that flop. this is a fold or a shove preflop but definitely not a call.
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:39 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I think MP has AK and won't bet the flop enough that we can flatcall pre and check to him on the flop.
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