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Old 06-29-2008, 04:52 PM     Post subject: 100NL, AJ and KQ 3 bet squeeze in two tought spots #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1: villain is 12/11/3 over 220 hands. What are you gonna do with my hand on both preflop and flop? Is my 3 bet preflop too loose vs this tight villain?
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Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, MP1 calls $8.

Flop: ($25.50) 3, K, Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $18, MP1 raises to $42,Hero ?


hand 2: villain is 35/21/2.6 over 110 hands. After putting so much in the pot, should i call his shove on the flop given his short stack ? Is 3 bet with KQ much better than flat oop?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q.
5 folds, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, Button calls $10.

Flop: ($29) 5, 3, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $20.5, Button raises to $41.25, Hero ?
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Old 06-29-2008, 05:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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first hand is way to loose of a 3 bet against this type of player, just call preflop and as played ship it in as you have plenty of outs even if he has kk,qq. 2nd hand is ok to 3 bet pre, though id lean more towards flatting simply due to his agro and CS tendencies and the fact were gonna airball 2 of 3 flops and well be oop post. Also as hes shortstacked the benefits of flatting pre are that if we flop a king or q etc it sets up a simple stack a donk technique or checkraise postflop, if we waft we just checkfold. As played i wouldnt even bother c betting the flop as hes gonna ship it in with a ton of his range though maybe thats to weak.
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Old 06-29-2008, 07:42 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 1: 3bet is bad vs. a nit. As played either check behind flop or b/3bai

2: calling or 3betting pre (with the intentions of felting) is fine. As played bet flop smaller and fold to a raise.
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Old 06-30-2008, 03:47 AM #5 (permalink)  
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1: 3bet is bad vs. a nit.
He's not that tight, 3-bet is good. On the flop I would make a crying push.

Hand 2 is post-flop read dependent. Against some guys 3-betting here just sets yourself up for pain and suffering. My usual line here is to call and don't fold most flops.
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Old 06-30-2008, 04:31 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 1 - royal flush draw seems okay to felt
2 - i like never 3bet here

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Old 06-30-2008, 01:49 PM #7 (permalink)  
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yeah, i agree that 3 bet with KQ in hand 2 is bad vs this guy and we are better off playing poker postflop . AJ sooted 3 bet IP vs 12/11 is not that bad IMO cuz we have the initiative to win a game of chicken after the flop.

Do you guys still stack off here with AA in hand 1? I could find a fold here if i had AA in this situation, right?
AK: 6 combos
QQ: 3 combos
KK: 3 combos
KQ: more combos
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 Hand 1: I believe we have to push the FLOP. We have 12 outs (he doesn't have a spade and definively he doesn't have TT) which give us at least 40% of equity (I don't have pokerstove here) vs AK/QQ/KK/33/KQ.
We would be calling $70 into a $131 pot, which would be something like 1.85 - 1 odds and 40% corresponds to 1.5 - 1, so we call (but know that we are not ahead).

Hand 2: Indeed, I call the PFR OOP and hope to find a Q or K to stack villain.
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Hand 1: I believe we have to push the FLOP. We have 12 outs (he doesn't have a spade and definively he doesn't have TT) which give us at least 40% of equity (I don't have pokerstove here) vs AK/QQ/KK/33/KQ.
We would be calling $70 into a $131 pot, which would be something like 1.85 - 1 odds and 40% corresponds to 1.5 - 1, so we call (but know that we are not ahead).
WTF jimmy??
Of course I mean we push not we call. And this is of course supposing villain doesn't fold to our push.
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