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Old 08-04-2006, 09:07 PM     Post subject: 100NL AA line check #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is fairly tag-ish. Someone please make a thread on pot control so I know what the hell to do here.

I wanted to 3-bet flop at first, but figured we're either way ahead or way behind and are likely to stay that way, so I just called. Turn check-call comes from the same argument, if he has a backdoor flushdraw I give a free card that can crush me, but how likely is that?

On the river he has 53.25$ left, roughly the size of the pot. How big a bet can we call if he doesn't check behind?

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Button ($81.75)
SB ($87)
BB ($100)
UTG ($0)
Hero ($105.90)
MP1 ($241.38)
MP2 ($38.55)
MP3 ($74)
CO ($229.51)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $3.5, 4 folds, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($8.50) 3, 6, J (3 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $10, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($28.50) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($58.50) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

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Old 08-04-2006, 09:36 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 c/r turn

you have the best hand, stack someone with it!
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 Who are we stacking on this board? KK/QQ/TPTK seem like the only alternatives. At least KK is reraising preflop, likely QQ as well. Does villain put more cash in with any of these hands after a turn c/r enough to make it profitable? Please enlighten me.

What do you think about donking the river for 30$ and calling a push?

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KK/QQ/TPTK
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 Doesn't a turn c/r let villain get off TPTK and maybe QQ? Granted he probably won't drop KK, but I think KK is the least likely hand based on preflop action. Maybe I'm just giving villains too much credit?

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Doesn't a turn c/r let villain get off TPTK and maybe QQ? Granted he probably won't drop KK, but I think KK is the least likely hand based on preflop action. Maybe I'm just giving villains too much credit?

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Please enlighten me
renton wrote somewhere that raise call preflop then bet get min raised on the flop followed by a check/r all in or c/r then push any river is the money line.

He wasnt wrong. The c/r all in on the turn is still assumed by bad players to be a bluff.
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Doesn't a turn c/r let villain get off TPTK and maybe QQ? Granted he probably won't drop KK, but I think KK is the least likely hand based on preflop action. Maybe I'm just giving villains too much credit?

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he doesn't have enough money behind to laydown tptk there
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he doesn't have enough money behind to laydown tptk there
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 it also depends on your read of him

if his really strong then just lead turn and c/r river
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 I don't immidiately put villains squarely on TPTK/overpair with the flop minraise, so I'm thinking that checking the turn might induce another bet from hands like TPGK/TT-88/air that folds to a turn lead.

As you say, if he has TPTK/overpair we'll likely get all in on the river anyway, so a turn check should be more valuable against his entire range as opposed to just the hands he will play for stacks.

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 theres not many hands he can minraise this flop with that aren't top pair or overpair (or set). A taggy player is generally not going to mess around on this board especially after you call the flop and the turn pairs the board. He'll likely check behind many of the hands you beat.
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 What hands that we beat do aggressive villains call preflop/minraise flop with (no reads on bet sizes/strength, but he's fairly aggressive post flop)? From worst to best; medium pairs/QJs/KJs/AJ/overpairs? We assume that we're being stacked by boats/quads here (which I didn't while playing, but I'm losing value to TPTK/overpairs),right?

If he has a medium pair we're probably not getting more cash here anyway, but our greatest chance of gaining a bet is obviously by letting him bluff at us.

If he has KJ/QJ, will he call a turn lead? He might, he might not. If he does, he's folding or checking behind on the river. If we check the turn, will he bet? He might, but then again he might not. If we check and he checks behind, we lead river and probably stand the same chance of getting a call as we do on the turn with the added chance that he might bet the turn for us.

If we check the turn, will he check behind the overpairs or AJ? If he'll check behind on the turn, won't he do it on the river if we lead turn and try to c/r river? If we think he'll check behind turn with these, shouldn't we just lead all streets?

Man, I love poker! I have to reread TOP and get NLTAP soon.

(These threads somehow makes me think I should play limit.)

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