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Old 08-11-2008, 09:05 PM     Post subject: 100nl- 2 horrible spots. #1 (permalink)  
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Villain in this hand is running 34/16/1 over 130 hands, though he was playing semi solid even though his stats suggest otherwise, he definitely wasnt agressive. Note how deep stacked we both are.
note: converter fucked up yet again.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7606547048: Table Nial (deep) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:56:45 ET - 2008/08/11
Seat 1: normandyn007 ($107.25)
Seat 2: shnurrrrrrrp ($103.55)
Seat 3: Mister Chicken ($72.15)
Seat 4: sunnypalmer ($90.90)
Seat 5: Charlie Moran ($80.50)
Seat 6: JBIGDADDYJ ($196.25)
Seat 7: ATOTHEC101 ($194)
Seat 8: FatKitty3705 ($100)
Seat 9: RockoFTN ($230)
RockoFTN posts the small blind of $0.50
normandyn007 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ATOTHEC101 [Ks Kc]
4 folds
JBIGDADDYJ calls $1
ATOTHEC101 raises to $4.50
RockoFTN calls $4
normandyn007 calls $3.50
JBIGDADDYJ folds
*** FLOP *** [7h 5h 5d]
RockoFTN checks
normandyn007 bets $1
ATOTHEC101 raises to $15
RockoFTN raises to $40
normandyn007 folds
ATOTHEC101 has requested TIME
ATOTHEC101 calls $25

*** TURN *** [7h 5h 5d] [Th]
RockoFTN has timed out
RockoFTN checks
ATOTHEC101 checks

*** RIVER *** [7h 5h 5d Th] [9h]
RockoFTN bets $185.50, and is all in (insta shove)
ATOTHEC101 folds
Uncalled bet of $185.50 returned to RockoFTN
RockoFTN mucks
RockoFTN wins the pot ($92.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $95.50 | Rake $3
Board: [7h 5h 5d Th 9h]
Seat 1: normandyn007 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: shnurrrrrrrp didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Mister Chicken didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sunnypalmer didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Charlie Moran didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: JBIGDADDYJ folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ATOTHEC101 (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: FatKitty3705 is sitting out
Seat 9: RockoFTN (small blind) collected ($92.50), mucked

I know the river is an insta fold but im just checking that i took the correct line, im preety sure i did, looks like he as a boat nearly always here.

This next hand im alot less sure of, villain is very similiar to previous villain, loose but sane and somewhat solid and passive running 25/12/2 over 120 with a 3 bet % of 0. Him flatting my 3 bet then potting flop sent major alarm bells off in my head. My thought proces was he has aa a good portion of the time, then sets, then qq and jj that im not a big favourite over anyway (qq obviously more so).

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MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($61.35)
MP3 ($19)
CO ($15)
Button ($18.50)
SB =villain ($126.55)
Hero ($147.50)
UTG ($110.95)
UTG+1 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
3 folds, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $5, villain calls $4.50, Hero raises to $20, MP2 folds, Button folds, villain calls $15.

I 3 bet fairly big to get hu with the shortstack, but very surprisingly villain flats my very large 3 bet, im a tad worried at this point.

Flop: ($46) 8, 9, T (2 players)
villain bets $46, Hero...

Im very worried about aa, and sets, and even jj or pair/draw combos were flipping, so is this a fold?

Final Pot: $46
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:40 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1- gross. I play the same though...

2- guess this is a fold too although I feel diiirrrtty. If you feel you have any FE here you have to ship though, but I think it's unlikely with your read and that scurry bet.

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Old 08-12-2008, 01:14 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 I'm not sure how I feel about the flop call. I guess I play it the same

Hand 2 easy shove, be ecstatic
 
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:43 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Puke fold when he makes it $40.
Hand 2: Felt this.
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 And you thought it'd be ME telling you to shove Hand2
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:57 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1.
Youre either ahead of not. Make a decision and get the money in or fold IMO. I think calling is damn awful.

Hand 2.
Id insta-shove and be fist pumping a lot against this action.
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yeah I was thinking about hand 2 after I posted and thought folding was too nitty... We're only 42% vs. 77+ but given the money in the pot even against that range with no FE it's a shove. my bad.
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 Hand 1: I play it the same.
Hand 2: Yes, we have to shove. Why would villain bet pot against you OOP? I put him on a lot of JJ-QQ and JT given your apparent squeeze. Everything better he would check-raise or bet a smaller amount most of the time.
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:44 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 hadn 1 very easy fold on flop
hand 2 annoying fold
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:54 PM #10 (permalink)  
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hadn 1 very easy fold on flop
hand 2 annoying fold
If your disgareeing with the majority on hand 2 renton, whats your reasoning behind the flop if we fold?
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hadn 1 very easy fold on flop
hand 2 annoying fold
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:28 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 i don't really know how to explain that hand two is a fold, other than to say that our equity vs his value range is very marginal to poor, and that he probably doesn't have a bluff frequency in this spot
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Old 08-12-2008, 03:06 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 uh for some reason i misread the hand as being 200 deep with a 40 dollar pot, which would make this a fold

As it is, we have to shove 105 in to win about 250, which means we need at least 41% equity.

TBH, i don't see an enormous problem with folding here. If its a shove its probably worth only a couple bucks, with a 50:1 risk to ev ratio, so if u are trying to curtail variance in the least you can just dump this.

But yes, it looks like a marginally good shove.
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:38 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 Re: Hand 2

dont you think its pretty significant tell that he is donking out full pot? I would pretty much exclude sets from his range and be very happy to go all in. It is obvious that we arent getting it in with a massive equity advantage almost ever but I think this is a pretty trivial shiparoo.

Hand 1 is an annoying flop fold imo.
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