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Old 02-22-2008, 03:58 PM     Post subject: 100 NL, multistreet bluffing against passive line, terrible? #1 (permalink)  
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villain is 30/5.2/2.0 over 35 hands, basically unknown. His passive line sounds to me like a flush draw or weak second pair. Is this a great 3 street bluffing move? i've been working on this stuff since two weeeks ago and want to hear your thought on this subject. In my experience, the majority of ppl except donks/ fish will fold anything but two pair hand or above facing such aggression.

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UTG+1 ($119.85)
MP1 ($104.10)
MP2 ($33.15)
Hero ($97)
Button ($20)
SB ($10.50)
BB ($71.90)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) T, 3, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $7, UTG+1 calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $18, UTG+1 calls $18.

River: ($59.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $68 (All-In)..
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Old 02-22-2008, 04:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 His stats look kinda stationey, and his preflop and postflop line suggest that he's often got AT+ here. He very well might think it's a good idea to slowplay that. Could be a flush draw, but the EP raise from someone who only raises 5% doesn't seem like he'd have the ten paired.

You'll chase him off QQ/KK if he's staying in with em' that long, but at 25NL I get looked up here by any ace, especially a strong one from a stationey villain. Seems too risky for my liking. I'd probably shutdown after the flop call with this flop and the EP raise from a 30/5. I get nervous when villains with those stats make PFRs given how much limping they do.

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Old 02-22-2008, 05:12 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't get what hand you are trying to represent here, or does it not matter against this villain?

you are basically repping 2pr/set, which is a very tight range.
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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maybe it is just the style I play, but I am very rarely going for three streets of value with a TP type of hand without a reason to. So, it makes your line seem more like a bluff/monster situation, and monsters don't come around that often.

at any rate, I would prefer the line against a known villain who can fold a hand when you are telling him to, not an unknown who raised from UTG+1 then check-called a flop and turn bet.
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:34 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i was repping good Ace, two pairs or even better in early two streets given his weak line. After he called down on flop/turn, the only way to get him off pair hand is follow up a huge river shove after showing so much aggression not to mention he COULD have flush draw here. No matter what he had, i knew he wouldnt call with anything worse than two pairs. Based on my read, this guy is NOT the type of loose stations or clueless donks. However, i'd only make such an outrageous move once a while each session against some opponents i think who are capable of folding something.
this guy tanked for a while and folded.
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I don't get what hand you are trying to represent here, or does it not matter against this villain?

you are basically repping 2pr/set, which is a very tight range.
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