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pokerfan
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04-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Post subject: 1-2NL live, bottom set facing huge actions on the turn
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4-of-a-Kind
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the table was very dynamic. UTG2 is a huge LAGG donk raising a lot preflop, Mp2 is loose passive old guy and small blind is semi-loose and showed down good hands a whole lot.We often saw the flop like 7-8 way in raised pot. I'm not sure whether hero should bet on the flop or not, so i post this hand here.
chip stacks as follows:
UTG2: $285
Mp2: $412
SB: $375
hero: $280
Hero was UTG and limped in   , UTG2 raised to $5, Mp2 reraised to $15, Butoon called, sb called, hero called, UTG2 called.
flop came like :Kh: :Jc:  SB checked, Hero checked, UTG2 checked, Mp2 checked, button checked
Should hero check here or just bet on the flop in this family pot?
turn : 
sb checked, hero bet $40, UTG2 raised to $80, Mp2 folded, button foldec, sb raised to $375 and all-in, hero?
Hero wanted to puke and didnt really feel happy at this point
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kingnat
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So you are in a pot against 2 idiots and 1 (at best) ok player... we flop a monster and the board is such that we should be able to build this pot nearly 100% of the time. The best way to do that is to bet.
Were you planning to ck/r?.. that just seems awful to me. The MP2 guy reraised pre- which seems worrisome perhaps, but I don't see why we don't go to work on the flop.
The only hand that makes sense to me here that would beat you is 66.
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pokerfan
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yeah, i wanted to c/r and jam this flop cuz i thought it hit their preflop range and my relative position is good. The huge LAG donk often bet anything , lead out on flop and rarely fold his pair hand. ppl always stack off with top pair hand in live games, so my c/r doesnt really blow them off if they got anything.
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So you are in a pot against 2 idiots and 1 (at best) ok player... we flop a monster and the board is such that we should be able to build this pot nearly 100% of the time. The best way to do that is to bet.
Were you planning to ck/r?.. that just seems awful to me. The MP2 guy reraised pre- which seems worrisome perhaps, but I don't see why we don't go to work on the flop.
The only hand that makes sense to me here that would beat you is 66.
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Fnord
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The pot is already big due to the pre-flop action.
There was around ~$75 in the pot before we even saw a flop. I would stack off here.
That said, you're running against 2 players repping very strong hands. Quite often I don't think this ends out well for you.
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pokerfan
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How likely is it that you lead out on this dry flop given this situation?
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The pot is already big due to the pre-flop action.
There was around ~$75 in the pot before we even saw a flop. I would stack off here.
That said, you're running against 2 players repping very strong hands. Quite often I don't think this ends out well for you.
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Fnord
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How likely is it that you lead out on this dry flop given this situation?
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This isn't a dry flop. Soooo many hands give you action here. However, most of them will just call the flop, which is why I like the check/raise even though just betting out might be the better play.
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pokerfan
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UTG 2 maniac raised me with J8 offsuit and SB had 66 indeed. you know what? i was really thinking about sb (medicre player) raising range for a long time before i finally made my decision to stack off there. However, c/r on this action flop is normally the best in my casino experience. Casino donks/manaics/gamblers will bet and stack off light most of the time.
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How likely is it that you lead out on this dry flop given this situation?
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This isn't a dry flop. Soooo many hands give you action here. However, most of them will just call the flop, which is why I like the check/raise even though just betting out might be the better play. |
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Fnord
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Yeah, two unlikely events had to happen here.
First, two PFRs and a button caller had to check this flop.
Second, someone had to suck-out on your set.
Luck in poker is a deeper, more complicated beast them just card frequencies.
c/r vs b/r really comes down to how these guys are playing and/or what their body language was after the flop. Without being there, it's hard to say.
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