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mcatdog
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07-25-2008, 03:19 AM
Post subject: 1/2 boat in the SB vs likely flush, lead or c/r?
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Villain is a very bad, very passive regular whom I have at 20/8, loves to limp preflop with sooted cards and slowplays his big hands after the flop even on draw-heavy boards. I've been robbing him blind when he limps.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($204.65)
Button ($194)
Hero ($198)
BB ($41.60)
UTG ($57)
UTG+1 ($212.10)
MP1 ($208.20)
MP2 ($187.40)
MP3 ($201.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 6.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, MP3 calls $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($14) 9 , 7, 6 (7 players)
Hero bets $12, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $12, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls $12.
Turn: ($50) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $30, MP2 folds, Button calls $30.
River: ($110) 4 (2 players)
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elipsesjeff
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Well, on the turn I think I'd rather bet 40 but I guess that wasn't the question. I think a river check/raise here would be the best way to play it, as even though he is passive, he should still value bet all flushes whereas he might just call non-nut flushes.
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aka_red
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my question would be do you think hell
a] vb a flush on the river
b] call a c/shove
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BankItDrew
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c/r all in
there are a lot of hands that want to bet this river when checked to after this line by villain. It's possible that villain has an over pair, flush, or a missed straight draw.
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Renton
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lol a check raise is so bad here
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Renton
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an overbet shove would be better than a c/r, and betting like 95 would probably be better than both.
key error made this hand though was your tragically small turn bet size. bet 42, shove river for pot, ez game.
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Renton
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c/r turn is also acceptable
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Renton
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
c/r all in
there are a lot of hands that want to bet this river when checked to after this line by villain. It's possible that villain has an over pair, flush, or a missed straight draw.
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villain never bets any of those but a flush, and maybe not even that.
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BankItDrew
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
c/r all in
there are a lot of hands that want to bet this river when checked to after this line by villain. It's possible that villain has an over pair, flush, or a missed straight draw.
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villain never bets any of those but a flush, and maybe not even that. |
Villain rarely checks flush on river and never calls a bet with a missed straight draw.
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I like the overbet line because it says I missed my straight don't call me
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Fnord
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Bet more on the turn, it's not like you're having to balance this line with a lot of weak hands. Lots of people saw the flop, you potted it and the turn was good. Bet close to the size of the pot again and see if he's going to call you down for a lot of money.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Bet more on the turn, it's not like you're having to balance this line with a lot of weak hands. Lots of people saw the flop, you potted it and the turn was good. Bet close to the size of the pot again and see if he's going to call you down for a lot of money.
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Agreed, and i just prefer a near pot bet on river against this villain.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Bet more on the turn, it's not like you're having to balance this line with a lot of weak hands.
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What about a flopped straight or something like J T or 4 5? It's easier for me to have a hand like that than it is for me to have a boat on the turn.
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mcatdog
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he checked behind with AT of hearts
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Deanglow
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My god I hate a checkraise. There is so much more he calls with that doesn't bet. $40 on turn shove river
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Renton
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
he checked behind with AT of hearts
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wow did i own this thread
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wufwugy
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lol at not valuing into a passive opponent
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