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Old 08-10-2007, 03:41 AM     Post subject: [25NL] Flopped nuts #1 (permalink)  
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 Ok, so I flopped the nuts, with a one card redraw to the absolute nuts. Now, what's next?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($24)
BB ($22.10)
UTG ($20.40)
UTG+1 ($31.50)
MP1 ($24.45)
MP2 ($26.85)
MP3 ($16.75)
Hero ($21.70)
Button ($19.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
5 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB raises to $0.5, Hero calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.50) , , (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1.5, Hero ?????
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Old 08-10-2007, 04:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Call and see what he does on the Turn. Make it $2.5-$3 on the Turn if he doesn't bet. If he does, raise him then.
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Old 08-10-2007, 08:10 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Raise the flop to $5-7. Villain could have a set here, and we want him to put in as much money behind as possible. Calling here is bad. A likely holding is AK or AJ/A10 with a club. Bet 3/4 the turn, get it allin by river please.
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:39 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 im torn, with all the players in the pot its likely that some others want to see further cards in this pot or already have a lower flush so we want to keep them in the pot.

If you think a lower flus hwill caold call if you raise here or reraise your bet then go ahead and raise otherwise i call and hope someone raises behind and/or that we can get lots of money in on the turn.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I raise this, I also raise sets and two pairs on flushy boards so hopefully this has been noted.

I think a 4th club generally kills your action when it hits and with you holding two high clubs there is no guarantee that your flush will cet paid if someone hits their 4 flush.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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ppl stop putting opponent on nuts every time omg.

call and try to bring sb along.
ur in position which gives u ability to get good money on turn.
yes if flush card hits ur action may dry BUt tht wont happen 80% of a time and those 80% of a time u will try to take their stack. also it may not dry out if they make mistake with smaller flush. dont overestimate ur opponents.

if the BB is strong then he's going to bet pot again on turn (like $7) and u have him set fora stack. however i dont think he is that strong he is probably betting ace or J there. he did justminraise before flop i doubt he has AQ or anything better.rather be happy that he bets into u and raise him on turn.
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Unless you know you'll get calls don't blow opponents out of the water on scary boards when you have the nuts.

Raising here serves to push out the small blind who may have a hand we want to stick around.

Plus a flat call looks like a draw at 25NL
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:01 PM #8 (permalink)  
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im torn, with all the players in the pot its likely that some others want to see further cards in this pot or already have a lower flush so we want to keep them in the pot.

If you think a lower flus hwill caold call if you raise here or reraise your bet then go ahead and raise otherwise i call and hope someone raises behind and/or that we can get lots of money in on the turn.
At 25nl we could push all-in and the flop and get called by 32 of clubs, and in light of this I think this is an easy raise.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:05 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 dont open limp. I like a flop raise, i think thats the only chance we have of getting AI here.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:18 PM #10 (permalink)  
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im torn, with all the players in the pot its likely that some others want to see further cards in this pot or already have a lower flush so we want to keep them in the pot.
Its only 3 way and SB only completed and then checked the flop. Theres no reason to think he has anything and hes not folding a smaller flush if he has it anyway. BB looks like he likes his hand so I want to get some money in before scare cards come/ the board pairs or whatever. If hes just betting because he minraised pre then he isnt going to fire the turn again anyway.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:20 PM #11 (permalink)  
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yes if flush card hits ur action may dry BUt tht wont happen 80% of a time and those 80% of a time u will try to take their stack.
What hands can you stack them with on the turn that you can't stack them with on the fl0p?
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:20 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 We're trying to get it allin here. If another club comes, then a lower flopped flush will throw their hand away immediately. RAISE this flop to make it easier to play for stacks later.
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yes if flush card hits ur action may dry BUt tht wont happen 80% of a time and those 80% of a time u will try to take their stack.
What hands can you stack them with on the turn that you can't stack them with on the fl0p?
1. ur bringing SB along
2. disguise ur hand
3. AT,AJ,Axs,JT, whatever weak hand making bad call but folding to AI,
small clubs that make error calling to flush
4. if someone happen to have lower flush which is not something i expect here he will let u know on turn. many ppl dont give up and call pot on turn even if fourth club fell.

so by reraise u may actually knock out most hands and its ridiculous to think someone will be very strong on this board often in unraised pot.

good example when to slowplay flop.
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We're trying to get it allin here. If another club comes, then a lower flopped flush will throw their hand away immediately. RAISE this flop to make it easier to play for stacks later.
1. they wont throw low flush immediately on foruth club+lower flopped flush is very unlikely. if he has it then fourth club is much less likely anyway.

2. raising this flop knockout many weaker hands that can pay u off on later streets.
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Old 08-10-2007, 03:04 PM #15 (permalink)  
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3. AT,AJ,Axs,JT, whatever weak hand making bad call but folding to AI,
small clubs that make error calling to flush
Who said anything about going allin? If we make a raise to $4-5 plenty of worse hands will still call. The ones that wont call a raise are probably not betting the turn into us anyway and alot of the time they will check/fold.

Hands you listed are probably calling a raise if they have a high club e.g. AJ , J T , KJ , . 2 Pair hands like Q9, A9 are at least calling a raise and maybe reraising and sets and flushes are almost always reraising and always calling. The minraise preflop with no reads means he has 2 cards. Some people will do this with AA, some will do it with 56s so you cant discount BB from having a hand.
We lose alot of action when a 4th club comes. If it were true that he could catch up to a worse hand then it might be correct to slowplay but there are no second best hands that wont stack off now, but will catch up enough to stack off on the turn. On the other hand he could hit a FH with 2 pair/ set or we could lose our action when a 4th club comes.
Slowplaying means trading his bet or call on the turn for pretty much 20% of the value we get from lower flushes/ 2pairs/ sets since they wont put anything else in once another club comes. I dont think enough weak hands put more in on the turn to make up for that.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:02 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Call and see what he does on the Turn. Make it $2.5-$3 on the Turn if he doesn't bet. If he does, raise him then.
I don't think calling is optimal here. We need to make the game bigger, fast.
Just calling leaves us with about $19 to go in a $5~6 pot, two streets to bet. Don't like it.
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raise. a set will call and try to fill up. a flush will call or raise. you won't get a ton of money from other hands either way.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:41 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Raise to $4.50. The problem with calling here is that mediocre hands are unlikely to improve enough on the turn to allow you to take their stack, while good (but worse) hands like sets and two pair will almost certainly call and might re-raise to knock out any flush draw you may have, while not actually having good odds to do so.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:30 PM #19 (permalink)  
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dont you need a read on the villain?

if he's a rock, he isnt calling a raise w/o the flush, and you may want to see what the player behind does before showing too much aggression.

if he's a call station, he may call a decent raise.

if hes a spewtard, that changes things, too.

i just dont want to see a paired board....so, i'm not calling the flop bet.
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