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shysti

09-26-2007, 12:54 PM Post subject: [25NL] AA - bad reraise on dangerous board?

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Hero ($25.50)
MP3 ($23.40)
CO ($40.20)
Button ($23.05)
SB ($8.35)
BB ($17.30)
UTG ($30.70)
UTG+1 ($24.95)
MP1 ($14.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, A

.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 9

, J

, T

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $5, Hero raises to $12, CO raises to $35.75, Hero calls $12.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($51.35) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($51.35) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $51.35

Should I have folded to his reraise all in here? Or call due to the price I was getting?

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09-26-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shysti

Was my flop reraise here idiotic? Given how dangerous the board looks for my AA here? I know I could have raised more here preflop but I didn't want people to fold, given how tight I was playing.

You answered your own question

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raise more pf
flop is too drawy.
what's CO 4bet range?
also i wouldn't 3bet raiser here. with the small flop pot, stacking off here with AA unimproved is nearly inexcusable, pretty "-EV"

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10-01-2007, 01:04 PM

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raise to at least $1 preflop.
on a flop like that u can call and re-evaluate. but ur risking giving hands like QJ and 88 get there for cheap.
im calling here most of the time though.
nice turn and river btw.

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10-01-2007, 02:08 PM

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call the $5 and look for a bit of pot control here. there is so much out that outflopped you.

now, if he raises draws on the flop, you should have that noted...or should have noted it after this hand.

did he whiff a combo on turn and river, or did he have you on the flop?

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10-02-2007, 05:07 AM

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stop calling 4bet shoves with one pair hands without a read plz kthx.

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10-02-2007, 02:19 PM

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If I'm 3 betting the flop, then I'm never folding - opp could easily have pair & draw, and we have outs vs two pair also. However, I prefer to just call this small raise and reevaluate on the turn. Against am aggro donk I'll check/bomb the turn if its a good card, against a more passive player I may just let him take it on the turn if he bets big.

just a VP$IP/PFR split would be nice :P

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10-02-2007, 03:35 PM

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If I'm 3 betting the flop, then I'm never folding - opp could easily have pair & draw, and we have outs vs two pair also.

i think you should still be able to get away after 3betting. opp could easily have something better than pair+draw. also, you shouldn't be calling just cuz you have some outs - that's what donks do.

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10-02-2007, 04:02 PM

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I just don't like folding AA getting better than 3-1 on the flop - We only need like 25% to call here. However, I'm not a big fan of the 3-bet in the first place so idk. Just seems dumb 3 betting at all if were going to fold to a push with half our stack in.

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10-02-2007, 09:42 PM

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when you say re-evaluate the turn do you mean check and see how much opp bets? i just assumed you meant lead the turn and fold to a push which, i just realized, is probably not what you meant. i was thinking that if that were the case then 3betting on the flop accomplishes the same thing for cheaper.

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10-02-2007, 10:13 PM

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yeah, once 1/3 eff. stacks are in it you are pretty much committed with any decent hand

but what you should never do is raise 3xbb pf with your premium hands, then bet 8bb in a 7bb pot on flop. If you wanted to play AA for stacks (like you usually do), manage pf raise sizing accordingly.

A whopping 7bb pot might cost you your whole 100bb stack.

(and again, after 20bb pot raise by villain, hero bets 64bb in a 36bb pot. AA is unimproved, villain's flop raise range a big ?, still)

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10-02-2007, 10:24 PM

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hero bets 64bb in a 36bb pot.

i don't see that anywhere. after villain's raise there is $9 (36bb's) in the pot. hero put in $10 more for his raise which is 40bb's more.

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10-02-2007, 10:31 PM

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ah true, its 40 more in the pot, not 64.
still, call is much better. if you call, you will still have $17 behind to evaluate turn action. But anymore in the pot and you're committed.

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10-02-2007, 10:54 PM

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yeah, once 1/3 eff. stacks are in it you are pretty much committed with any decent hand

i think this might be a leak.

so we have to be 25% to win here to make the call. it seems to me that you would have to believe that AJ is easily in his range to make calling here ok. i don't know about the rest of you but i'd say AJ is pretty unlikely.

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10-02-2007, 10:59 PM

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The whole board is in his range, with 99 the most likely, QK a close second
If he was me he'd have 87s

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10-02-2007, 11:07 PM

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here is a range. let me know if i missed something obvious:

AdAh [20%]

QQ-99,AcKc,AcQc,Ac9c,KQs,JTs,J9s,T9s,87s,KQo [80%]

if you add AJ it turns to 28% vs. 72% but like i said i don't believe AJ is very likely at all.

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10-02-2007, 11:10 PM

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Looks good

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